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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 115 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Ø - The Norwegian umlaut version of O.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 51 points 5 months ago

U+2300 DIAMETER SIGN

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Actually æ, ø, and å are regarded as separate letters in the Norwegian alphabet

Æ - like the a in cat

Ø - like the u in turn

Å- like the aw in paw

Here's a handy song about it

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 14 points 5 months ago

Translation to a language that has reasonable pronunciation (romanian):

Æ = a

Ø = ă

Å = ~~â~~

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Which language is the best: Norwegian, Finnish, Swedish, or Danish?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Danish. Swedish and Norwegian are just failed attempts at speaking Danish, proving once and for all that Norwegians have better language skills since their attempts are closer.*

Finnish is mainly good for swearing away bears and complaining about a lack of saunas.

*(Jk, in case there's any doubt)

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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Best for what purpose? Norwegian is best for understanding Swedish and Danish (Swedes have more difficulty understanding Danish than Norwegians do) Swedish and Norwegian are essentially a dialectical continuum.

Oslo dialect is heavily influenced by danish because back in the day if Norwegians wanted a decent education they went to Denmark. The more commonly used written form of Norwegian (bokmål) is still very similar to Danish (only as it's written though, danish pronunciation is fucked up). The other form (nynorsk) was created from several rural dialects as part of a nationalism movement and more closely resembles Swedish (not in terms of spelling but pronunciation) it's not as close as bokmål is to Danish though.

Finnish is a completely different language family but is very similar to kven which is spoken by very few people on the Northern coast of Norway. It's a nice sounding language though and a good way to sound like you're going to stab someone.

The correct language is the one that is spoken in the country you're most interested in. I live in Norway so for my purposes Norwegian is obviously best. And I don't need to revert to speaking English in Sweden or (most of) Denmark, which is nice.

If I had to learn a second north European language, I'd choose either northern Sami, Faroese, Icelandic, or Greenlandic.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Finland and Türkiye: We're going to create a script that unambiguously follows the phonemes of the language so any word you can read you can say.

Norway: Hold my "I am going to create a script that is so Swedish chef noises" Sue Sylvester meme

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Was going to say if you speak Norwegian you can converse and read in Denmark and it's seamless.

Nynorsk is interesting. Dialects are hard.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 months ago

Finnish, though I may be biased. We have the best curses (English swear words are soo boring and really don't have the same power.) and it's so easy to just make up bew words.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

Danish is Swedish without opening your mouth and if it's half open, you get Norwegian

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Clearly Icelandic is best.

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[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

French has à, â, é, è, ê, ë, ï, ô, œ, but we don't count them as extra letters. We should!

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[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 months ago
[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

You mean like the German Ö?

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

This is why, as a Norwegian programmer, I slash my 0s with a backlash and my Øs with a forward slash.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We should use dashed letter O to distinguish it from the Norwegian umlaut

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

We also use that to designate phasing in the electrical world.

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[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 84 points 5 months ago

Ahhh ahhhh ahhhhhhhhh I hate it

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My genuine reaction to that information:

[–] Devorlon@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago

∅, with a slash through it!!!

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The slashed zero is the empty set, and the slashed O is literally nothing cause screw the slashed O

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All my guys love the Ø! We Even have the Ååhh. Jut let me know if that makes you Æææh!

Relevant: https://youtu.be/f488uJAQgmw

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

I was hoping it was gonna be that video! One of the few times I will agree that size matters.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Empty set is ∅, slashed zero is 0︀ (if your browser decides to render the unicode variant) or 0︀ in html

Learn the difference, it could save your life!

(It could not actually save your life)

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dad was a programmer on IBM 700/7000 series. He always slashed the letter O. Years later in programming people were slashing zeroes and I was mighty confused. Some greybeard explained it eventually.

[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Years later in programming people were slashing zeroes and I was mighty confused. Some greybeard explained it eventually.

As someone who slashes their zeroes, ouch.

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

/0

edit: what was that meant to do

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Well it was someone else who spent most of their career with FØRTRAN punchcards. By the time I was learning BASIC in the 1980s it had moved to the zero.

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

When your language and numerical project managers don't talk to each other

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Not the empty set?

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

θØΦ⦰θ

[–] tibi@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sø I shøuld slash all my Øs sø they can be distinguished from 0. Gøt it.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago

Including the majestic møøse

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] Kaari@leminal.space 9 points 5 months ago

"The slash as a designator! Why that is brilliant..." - Dr.Klein

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 months ago

How it feels to be autistic navigating social rules.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ø is an album by Underoath

[–] orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

And a damn good one

[–] needanke@feddit.org 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Is that a compromise solution for the age old H0 vs HO debate?

(Potential sauce)

[–] chwilson@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

disambigruleation

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

That makes sense I guess.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

he'll always try to stop me, that Nicolas Bourbaki.

[–] AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hmmm. There's room for a slash from the top left to bottom right to disambiguate this, but it'll likely end up with more slashed Os and 0s.

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