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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not like they've done any imperialist-like actions like attack a country unprovoked or anything LMAO

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

"War of western aggression."

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Argh. That Chinese guy at the MSC gave me a headache about that one. Paraphrasing: "China does consider the Russian invasion a result of NATO expansion: The Russians think that you're stepping on their toes, they think in influence spheres, and neither we nor you can change their mind about that".

More or less "you bumped into a stupid drunk, now they're hitting you, what did you expect, the drunk to not be stupid?"

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

Equally though if the drunk was walking around trying to start a fight then it's fairly expected and your actions kind of did start the fight, even though it's absolutely the drunk who's in the wrong

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 48 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah they're not imperialist, the "People's Republics" that keep popping up in different places and then get attacked by Russia to "protect them" are totally organic.

Honestly this person has to be American. You hear so much less of this bullshit in Europe (although definitely not nonzero amounts… we have more than our share of idiots and fascists too, unfortunately), especially anywhere near Russia. "Russia isn't imperialist" sounds so much dumber when their imperialism is happening right next door.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 13 points 5 months ago

Russian propaganda targeting EU has to be more sophisticated since EU residents know Russian history better.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

She's from Seattle, or thereabouts.

Spent 10 minutes on her twitter profile, she's got pics of herself at a pro Palestine protest where she says she's in Seattle.

I am also from Seattle, the roadways and signage and trees match the area.

She also apparently doesn't actually speak Chinese... she posted/shared a video claiming it shows a school in China, with a person burning Japanese and Israeli flags outside of a building with a large sign ... which is community noted with 'It clearly say this is a hot pot restaurant.'

She is almost certainly a fairly well off 2nd or 3rd generation daughter of immigrants.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

But they were invited! You see, when African autocrats invite Wagner to strip mine their nations it’s their right as sovereign states. Don’t confuse this for support of European states using their right to self determination to associate with NATO, however. That’s clearly imperialism, because reasons.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 27 points 5 months ago

DeFenSivE mILitArY AcTiONs

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Words don't mean anything anymore. We live in a post-reality world.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

No, fuck that. Objective reality exists and those who claim things contrary to it are fucking liars.

[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Note that the person actually didn't define imperialism!

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I mean... they wasted so many resources in Ukraine that they had to pull out of their imperialist schemes like in Syria which collapsed in a matter of weeks lol. Could go with flailing imperialist.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ooh! Word play! Lemme try!

America didn't torture it's detainees in the "war" on terror; we used Enhanced Interrogation^TM^! Now with less calories!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Enhanced interrogation techniques in the "police action" in the middle east because we had "proof" they had "WMDs" no less. It definitely "wasn't" a war based on lies for oil...

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

Obviously not! That's why we changed it from Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) to Operation Iraqi Freedumb!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

It definitely “wasn’t” a war based on lies for oil…

I mean, it was definitely a war based on lies, but not for oil.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What does 🔺🔻 emoji mean?

I’d say about 50% of people I see with that emoji in their profile are tankies, while the other 50% are old school anti-authoritarian marxists.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's a sign used by Hamas to mark military targets; some online use it as an expression of solidarity with Hamas.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Of fuck really. I thought it was some sort of socialist symbol. That’s awful.

[–] phr@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i don't know the modern discourse. i thought it's (pointing down) the symbol the nazis used to mark political prisoners (i. e. usually communists) in concentration camps, like the pink triangle for who they deemed to be "homosexuals".

Honestly I think that makes more sense. Because I’ve seen some people with that emoji in their profile who have decently nuanced takes, I doubt they would outright support a far-right war crime committing organisation such as hamas.

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 2 points 5 months ago

Marxists and unionists

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 points 5 months ago

Wasn't that the mark of Saddam's republican guard?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Guard_(Iraq)

I guess it is a simple symbol

[–] phr@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i've read a book once that was just an introductory overview on what theories of imperialism are out there. why don't other ppl try to read a book once?

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Because it's much easier to not read any books, tell anyone who recommends reading 'don't tell me what to do', and then adopt all of the opinions of a demagogue who sounds smart to uneducated people and uses lies and misinformation to reinforce confirmation biases

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's fun with this rhetoric, 'cause if you replace imperialism by capitalism, and country name with corporation name, we immediately see how confuse it is. "You can't say Shell is capitalist, it's not the global leader in the Petrolum Market. BT is"

We are talking about system. The Federation of Russia engaged in a competition against NATO, which result in wars and economic predation for power and ressources.

The same logic apply for Iran and China, but not on the same scale. A state is structured with the current international relationship; it need to gather power to secure its existence. Exactly like a corporation. North Korea is weak example of imperialism, not because it would be "socialist", but because it is losing the competition against other states.

That's why strong workers organisations where independent from states and political parties. And that's why we may mobilize first and mainly (but not only) against our one State imperialism, in order to not feeding this international competition.

And if you think that's their is no colonial history in Russia, you may think again. The Eastern conquest had some similarity with the western one in the USA.

[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Weird flex but ok