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Florida’s public universities will now permit the Classic Learning Test in admissions, offering a conservative-backed alternative to the SAT and ACT. Florida is now the first state university system in the country to allow for the Classic Learning Test (CLT), which has gained recent popularity among the state’s Christian and charter schools.

The classical education model — not to be confused with “classics” or “classical humanities” — focuses on a return to “core values” and the “centrality of the Western tradition.” The Florida state university system’s board of governors on Friday approved the test for use in undergraduate admissions.

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The national university system should de-accredidate any university that uses this test.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's done regionally, unfortunately, and I expect that whichever one accredits schools in the South is going to quickly be taken over by conservative jackasses if it hasn't been already.

(OTOH, employers and graduate programs are free to assign whatever level of credibility they wish to any given university's diploma)

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, like a FL under grad seeking a Master's in New England? GTFO

[–] ElleChaise@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's what I've been wondering, can't other states essentially ‘lock in’ participants of schools abusing the system? If you want to go to god school, you can only use that education in god land with the fairy folk, the rest of us on Earth can simply deny the legitimacy of those credentials in real education settings, forcing real changes; or at least keeping the crazy at arms length.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's how accrediitadtion is supposed to work. We shall see, I guess.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That is incorrect. Universities are a collection of colleges and each college is accreted individually by a national accreditation board. So in north America colleges of engineering are accredited by ABET.

While I was getting my ABET accredited engineering degree my university was launching a new college of medicine. They were new so unaccredited and had to do a ton of work to get the program accredited.

One of the best ways to avoid scam schools is to check if the degree is accreted by the respective organization for the field.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Is it really? I'm only familiar with ABET, which is national, but only for engineering and technology. I figured other subjects would have similar accreditation boards. Surely some other fields like medical and law do?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't live in the US. Due to historical/religious reasons, the government here doesn't do standardised testing in schools and gives schools quite a lot of freedom. Graduate from the worst school and you can still go to university (with some exceptions for stuff like med, but I digress).

What my university did, is simply schedule a really horrible statistics course on the monday morning, first year, first semester, course book thicker than the bible. Same thing for most courses. You're studying German? Enjoy learning advanced grammar at 8AM. You're studying history? Roman history with a side of Latin at 8AM. The overfull auditorium emptied within weeks as people dropped out.

Maybe universities in Florida should do something similar. Rather than refusing students, have them quit. Certainly a financially disastrous way to learn the limits of the power of prayer and the relevance of the bible to statistics, but the Lord works in mysterious ways.

And as any fitness business will testify after the month of january, it's an excellent business model having the majority who drop out subsidise those who don't. Really allows you to improve the level of service you can offer those who don't quit.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago (5 children)

How long before universities in blue states stop accepting students who relied on these pieces of crap?

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

I hope immediately.

[–] HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, jobs. Like I know in general most places don't give a shit. If it's a shitty for profit university, maybe. But for the vast majority of the time, it doesn't matter...

But this seems to be a little different. Maybe some of them should start caring about this.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 16 points 2 years ago

I can only hope for an interview to go something like this:

"This position requires a college degree, but all I see on your resume is this worthless garbage from Florida. Did you ever get a real education? Let's find out, explain evolution to me..."

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 12 points 2 years ago

I had a classical education (full of Christian dogma of course), but we were still expected to know evolution, psychology, secular philosophy, logic, etc. And we still had to do well on the ACT. And the critical thinking and philosophy I learned helped me to escape indoctrination, to the point that theology classes showed me why I'm not a Christian. So I'm not against "classical education" in general - it's when they put religious and political indoctrination above actual classical academics like in this case that it's an abomination.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Not just Blue states. You ain’t getting into Ohio State with bs like that

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

How long 'til Businesses stop accepting the FL Diplomas on resumes?

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"As this assessment focuses on critical thinking skills, Florida will lead the way in filling our state and nation with bright and competitive students."

Christian

Critical thinking

Pick one.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, Christians / conservatives seem to be very critical of allowing people to think.

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Is having the ability/right to think part of the bible/cobstitution? No? Nuff said. /s

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

The only passing grade is failure

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I was thinking more "David Goes to the Dentist" than Queen

[–] TheButtonJustSpins 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Cynicivity@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] oddityoverseer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Look up to the skies and see

[–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] muse@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago
[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Reality is whatever the rich dictate it to be.

[–] kimpilled 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Did they not realize kids are gonna call it the “clit”?

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

Conservatives have no idea what that is or where to find it

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"How'd you score on the CLiT?", has a strange ring to it.

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 7 points 2 years ago

Classical Learning (and indoctrination) Test - CLiT

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What’s that?
-Kids who had no sex education

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

I read it as CuLT...

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All I can say anymore is...

FloridaBugsBunny.gif

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Y’all-Qaeda

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't understand how this is a "Christian SAT" other than than that it's popular with Christian schools.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are eliminating anything that they consider "woke" or liberal from the curriculum. The whole point of this is Christian indoctrination. Remember, in the long run we win.

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

But how is the CLT known as the "Christian SAT" other than that it's used by Christian Schools?

I don't see how adding another option is Christian Indoctrination unless said option itself is religious which nothing on the test or website is as far as I can tell.

[–] Plibbert@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yaaaaay, theologically based facisim here we come!

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Disgusting.