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Two sides of r*ddit. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 6 months ago by Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@lemmy.world

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As to #2:

Raceplay (for some reason) exists, so yeh probably.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

This seems like the way to bridge the divide and start the healing. Racism AND porn, at the same time! A new path right down the middle.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's up with the incorrect sentence order? Letters and words are in the correct order but sentences are reversed? Why the inconsistency

[–] critical@reddthat.com 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Panels from manga. They are read right-to-left

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Reddit of sides two the

Idk still not getting it

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you misunderstood but that's understandable. This is how you read it:

tidder fo sedis owt ehT

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

oh of course now it makes perfect sense

[+] stinky@redlemmy.com -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Self-evident, but thank you. My question is about why.

English media, including the media on the website you're reading right now, is arranged left to right. Adherence to this rule is what makes our language comprehensible. These grammatical rules are not impediments; they are the foundations of understanding.

Violating them is done with specific purpose in mind. Anagrams are a puzzle in which the order of letters is scrambled, and the player must correct it. In this case the violation of the rule is a game, valuable because it provides enjoyment to the player.

Although I appreciate your quick response, I am looking for a more thorough one. If this arbitrary and meaningless syntax violation has any redeeming qualities I'm not seeing them. But thanks again.

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because it's japanese and japanese is often written right to left. You can't make it read left to right without changing the art. People who read manga understand the convention. It's surprising if you haven't run into this before given the popularity of manga now.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The text is in English. That's why the text in the comic is written left to right. I understand that other languages read right to left, but those cases don't apply here.

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The text is translated to English, yes, but the original art was drawn for Japanese text which usually flows top to bottom, right to left. The entire visual design of a manga or comic book is structured around the reading direction for the language it was originally written in. When adding translations, you can't just change the bubble locations since they're almost always incorporated into the artwork directly.

With the above in mind, you effectively have two options with manga: flip the artwork before adding the English translation so the bubbles flow left-to-right, or leave it alone and just explain the reading direction differences. There are often artistic, logistical, and financial reasons for the latter approach, so it tends to be more common.

When on physical paper, most manga books are also read by flipping the pages right to left, and most of them explain this to English-language readers trying to read it the "normal" way on the last page.

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

I like how you have somehow managed to avoid encountering unflipped manga until today, and yet still think you know the best way to present it.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're overthinking it.

[+] stinky@redlemmy.com -7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's not overthinking to question the usefulness of blatant disregard for functional systems. You're throwing away something that works perfectly well, and you haven't given a single convincing reason for it. That's not me overthinking, that's you failing to explain the violation.

[–] ChadMcTruth@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

reminds me of the time you shat on someone in a francophone comm for speaking french instead of english

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's a Japanese artform, they can present it however they fucking please. They have been writing their language from right to left for thousands of years. Seems like a pretty functional system to me. But I'm sure you know better.

But think, for a second, what it would take to reverse the order. You would have to move the bubbles completely and make them a different shape (horizontal rather than vertical). That would be a nightmare to "translate" (using quotes because it would be far more than just translation). You would need to redraw nearly everything. You can't just flip everything horizontally, because the bubbles are still the wrong shape and any writing in the background will be visibly reversed.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 4 points 6 months ago

If you flipped all the images in manga. All right handed characters are suddenly left handed and vice versa. Everyone is driving on the opposite side of the road. East becomes west and west is east. Anything that is spelled out that isn't in text bubbles is now a mirror image (like a sign hanging over a shop). Most translated manga books and e readers will explain this if they don't flip the images.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

Sorry for violating you ig.