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Windows 11-24H2 installations with certain update statuses can no longer install further updates. Only a manual correction will help.

Last Christmas, a problem with Windows 11 24H2 installations became known that they cannot install further updates if they were installed from an installation medium with certain update statuses. Microsoft has now given up looking for an automated solution to this problem or developing a fix-it tool – The only option available to those affected is manual correction.

Microsoft has confirmed this decision by setting the entry in the Windows Release Health announcements to "resolved". Specifically, the problem description is that a Windows 11 installation on version 24H2, which was installed from a CD (sic) or USB drive with integrated October or November updates from 2024, can no longer install any further security updates. This also includes media created with the Windows Media Creation Tool at those times. However, installations that have downloaded the updates via Windows Update and applied them do not have this problem.

Windows update dropouts: only manual solution available

The entry on the problem from Microsoft has had the status "resolved" since the end of last week. However, it still only contains the previous workaround as a solution: The problem can be solved by overinstalling with an installation medium that contains at least the security updates from December 2024 – i.e. was created from December 10, 2024 –. Microsoft does not mention a fix-it tool, script or other options, such as registry changes.

Such an updated medium can be created with the Windows Media Creation Tool, which is available on Microsoft's Windows 11 download website. This either downloads an ISO file that can be transferred to DVD or creates a bootable USB stick with the Windows installation; this should have at least 8 GB of space.

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/55122353

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Windows-11-24H2-update-problems-Microsoft-gives-up-on-finding-a-solution-10275962.html

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 102 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

I'm frequently told that Linux is hard and you need to be a tech guru to use it, yet every week I see 1-2 articles of issues in windows you need to do some bullshit to fix, and in my own use of it I've ran into issues (especially after doing an update) that I just don't run into on Linux or MacOS.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Windows is easy, bro, you just need to run this shady PowerShell script to get rid of ads, run this random EXE from github.ru to disable telemetry, install ClassicShell to make the UI actually usable, install a million utilities for basic features (each from a separate site, of course ; the centralized Windows Store is full of malwarei), then pray sfc /scannow fixes your system after every update.

BTW, don't bother searching for a solution to your problems other than "retry, reboot, reinstall" ; even certified MS professionals don't know how anything works.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 48 points 5 months ago

I manually corrected mine with Mint, 10/10, do recommend.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

That manual correction: installing Linux.

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I REALLY want to see normies "manually correct" their machines after bragging with Windows supremacy for so long

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago (1 children)

normies

bragging with Windows supremacy

I don't think that's as common as you think it is. Most Windows users see Windows as part of the computer, a tool to get the job done. As a DIY'er (basically a tool normie) I don't brag about the supremacy of my Kobalt tools, I just drill the damn hole

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As far as I know a lot of Windows users are unhappy with Windows itself but can't/won't make the switch for various reasons. I don't mean them, they are usually very nice.

I mean those people who judge you for not using Windows because "Linux is crap because of drivers and updates" (as if those were uncomplicated/unproblematic on Windows) and then blame every tiny inconvenience on Linux. One dude I used to play games with topped it when they blamed my Linux distro for him experiencing lags claiming Linux was "messing with the game server" (before that they used to say "switch back to Windows" every time I encountered lags or similar).

[–] Obelix@feddit.org 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Most users could work with Linux without problems. They are using their browser, maybe a mail client and maybe some office suite to write stuff. If you mention this on the internet, there will always be someone who shows up and complains that his personal workflow with some obscure software that powers the nuclear reactor that he is running as hobby in his home won't work with Linux.

It's kind of the same with discussions about commuting/bicycles/cars. If you're discussing that maybe more people could commute by bike, the same people will show up and complain that this would not be possible for them because they live on a remote mountain top in the scorching desert far away from civilization and it's raining every day where they live.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

MS Office's lie of WYSIWYG and the idiotic requirements to follow absurdly complicated formatting guidelines and them not rendering the same from system to system or even correctly is the most brutal offender. If we used simplistic markdown without page-breaking in the GUI, there could've been no point to buy Office, but we don't, and itso hsppens I had encountered many times where some arbitrary cosmetic request like 'you can't have less than X lines per page' caused people toy with formatting or rewriting their documents... only for it showing differently on the other side >:ç Thus leading to even worse things like PDF.

It being the most used piece of office software renders the voluntary switch close to impossible.

[–] Obelix@feddit.org 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let's be honest: That totally is a monopolistic tactic of Microsoft and regulators would do great to force this open. Force them to release a Linux Office. Force them to really make their file format transparent so that everybody can write working parsers

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

I agree. They need to be either pressured or abandoned.

I feel like they would need to rewrite it completely in that case, partially because no one knows how their legacy code works and partially because it's completely broken.

Google with it's billions and a promise of more free data did great with how office formats work. They set some little limits of what user can do compared to MS Word so ending up with a broken table or whatever is harder, and they aslo strong-armed their way into adoption with their obvious mechanics of real-time collaboration.

I'm not sure about MS users coming to Linux, but their marketshare was already bled by Google. And if in some scenario Google releases their own internal XML format for these, I guess it'd work too.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you can only do X and Y is marginally similar how easy do you think it is to switch to Y?
I have customers that are unable to handle cables I described in great detail. They are afraid. Trying to push them to do anything is hard af.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

Some of them just don't want to take responsibility if they do something wrong under your instructions.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 6 points 5 months ago

It's more of a prison for me. I just had to buy a new Win11 machine cause the software I depend on is cutting Win10 operation this year. Sucks

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Normies don't tend to perform OS installs from slipstreamed update media.

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a hot mess Windows has become. It's over, Microsoft. Give it up. Your precious hacks on top of hacks on top of half-ass fixes on top of even more hacks of half-ass fixes has finally become unfixable.

It's time to move on.

Are you suggesting the build a new OS from the ground up? It'd certainly be interesting

[–] Exec@pawb.social 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

"Consent required for free use" I doubt this is legal in the EU.

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

I just copy pasted the article into the post so people can read it without having to consent

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 5 points 5 months ago

It sadly is, or at least the data protection agencies don't act against it. They only declared it illegal under the digital services act for big gatekeepers like facebook.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Microsoftatemyface

[–] JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

I made the switch too! I bought a MacBook! After 40 years of MS OSes, Outlook-online and Windows 11 made me quit. And so far so good!

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That's just what I like to see from an OS developer. "We fucked it up, but dunno how to fix it..."

IMO, to keep Windows competitive with Linux they need a complete rewrite from absolute scratch. It's realistically the only way that's going to keep Microsoft on top in the long term. And they'll never do it because of how expensive it'll be.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

the only way that’s going to keep Microsoft on top in the long term.

You underestimate the complacency of the masses.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I rather think you do.

There will come a point where working around Windows quirks takes up more time than it does to simply seek and learn something else. This is organically how most people seek to find alternatives to software and begin to jump ship.

This is why PHP, as a programming language was replaced. Despite its popularity it became increasingly inconvenient to use. As such, they created other languages to replace it. They took the time to create an entirely new development language to sidestep the inconvenience of using PHP...

The same will eventually happen to Windows. Unquestionably.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's a massive difference between the average Windows user and the average PHP developer. It's a false equivalence.

The regular computer user who just needs their apps to run won't likely make the effort to enter an entirely new ecosystem as long as those apps run. Even with the most user-friendly distros, the barrier of entry is still high. And when their apps break? They'll reinstall Windows or pay someone else to fix it.

I love shitting on Microsoft as much as the next penguin, but they're not idiots. Even if some of their decisions are questionable, Windows is still a major part of their business, and they won't just let it degrade to a point where Linux converts are a significant threat to their profit.

(I did not downvote you, by the way, that was someone else)

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[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago
[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They rewrote the taskbar and Start menu for Windows 11, and left out stuff like being able to move the taskbar or even have separate taskbar items for each instance of an application. Rewriting the whole OS would be a disaster.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

It's the only possible solution. The issue with Windows version to version is they merge shit into the base without worrying about how it affects the codebase as a whole. That's why we have 2-3 different ways to access different menus.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think they're more likely to just ditch consumer OS' entirely. Its not their moneymaker anymore, that'd be cloud service subscriptions (O365 and Azure) and enterprise licensing. Hell, they'd probably have huge success with VDIs if they could market it right (until an internet outage hits the wrong person)

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 months ago

Welp, guess I won't be able to fix my Windows install

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

And yet again: install Linux. I've been a happy lojix desktop user forever 2 decades now. Linux was ready for normal users 10 years ago, it was more than ready 5 years ago, and it is definitely beyond ready today

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