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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm afraid this fascist lot doesn't give the tiniest shit about protests. At some point, what needs to happen will have to involve violence, meaning the fuzz - and possibly the army - will have to side with the dissenters, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

But yeah, it's a start and that's something.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There are plenty of examples where protest movements have forced the resignation of authoritarian leaders without major acts of violence. So this is not accurate.

Also, the most effective movements violent or nonviolent are large and diverse. So the main actions need to be building the movement first rather than direct confrontation—unless that confrontation is strategically designed to further grow the movement.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Yup. Gene Sharp outlines successful nonviolent action in his book "From Dictatorship to Democracy." I'm not opposed to violent action, but nonviolent is preferred if possible.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In at least a couple states, the police have said they won't follow demands from ICE without a court order. It could be a lot worse. Progress is still progress.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It could be a lot worse

I'm not sure how...

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago

You lack imagination. Or maybe you’re understandably having an anxiety attack about what’s going on. Either way, we don’t have to crab bucket about it.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Protest is probably the first step of escalation. It only takes a small tipping point to push things further. Things will have to get pretty uncomfortable for people to be spurred into further action

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This “slow rolling coup” is burning down all the societal protections and counter measures until the only thing protecting you will be the fascists themselves.

Protesting isn’t going to stop that.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but is protesting hurting us?

If you want to warn people that more than just protesting is necessary, that's fair. But it sounds like you're dunking on the protestors, and that will if anything just discourage people. Not helpful.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Peaceful protesting is a red herring, intended for people to blow off steam, then go sit back at home and congratulate each other on TikTok... while a highly organized and focused group is dismantling the whole State around them.

Keep protesting, and soon you won't have the right to protest anymore.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm talking about protests, not parades.

Protests are almost always disruptive, and they should be. They're one tactic among many and shouldn't be discounted. If you want to do more than just that, I encourage you to do so. But verbally flogging people for taking action just because it's not the kind of action you'd personally prefer is just going to demoralize them at a critical moment. If you want people to do more, say "Yes, and" instead of "Shut up."

Let's not destroy our own momentum.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 6 months ago

Ah, ok. I misunderstood you.

I've been seeing recommendations on "how to protest"... teaching peaceful protest, which is basically a parade. Nice for Gandhi and an upper-caste takeover from colonizers, not so nice for defending the rights of the bulk of society.

Yes, protest... and actually take back democratic institutions, before it's too late.

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] melp@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago

Yep. These motherfuckers planned for the protests as the response. The protests are built into their progress of dismantling the US.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago
[–] BevelGear@beehaw.org 2 points 6 months ago

The resistance

This is just the beginning.