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[–] NaibofTabr 142 points 6 months ago (2 children)

...Trump took the unprecedented step of refusing to rule out military action to take territory from a Nato ally...

what. the. fuck.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 36 points 6 months ago (3 children)

i'm guessing that ~~he~~putin thinks that doing so would be enough to break apart the alliance or get the u.s. kicked out.

[–] jonne 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That would definitely do it. With the way Trump is talking Denmark might end up being forced to expel the US military from Thule to avoid a Chrimea scenario.

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[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

"Heputin" is how I'll be saving space and time moving forward.

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What even happens if one NATO member attacks another? Does the aggressor immediately get their membership nullified and the rest must come together and declare war on them?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

NATO immediately loses all credibility. Otherwise, nothing much.

NATO was founded as a defensive pact against the Soviet Union.
The only time it was ever used was as a tool by the US to force other countries to join the war in Afghanistan.
Article 5 isn't an automatism that forces all members to start an all-out war. They're still sovereign.

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I mean, it's never happened. But the US declaring war on Danish territory would violate Article 5.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 86 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I hope NATO responds… but is this partially an effort to weaken and distract NATO so it’s easier for Putin to have his way with Europe?

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 42 points 6 months ago

Very likely to be.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 45 points 6 months ago

And you know he’s escalating because his narcissistic personality hates being told no, especially on such a public stage.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I wonder what the real problem play is here.

  • Distraction to soak up outrage and attention?
  • Actual desire to take Greenland because they global warming will unveil riches beneath the ice?
  • Naively thinking NATO will abandon the USA as quickly as Trump would abandon NATO?
  • Thinking they can divert NATO defenses to Greenland instead of Ukraine?

No scenario seems like a smart play but that’s MAGA for you.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 59 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • Dementia-addled brain latches onto a stupid obsession for random reasons and everyone ends up trying to figure out what 4-D chess move is really behind it.

It's still a problem the world needs to deal with, but I don't think it's as deep as everyone thinks.

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 22 points 6 months ago

I agree. He just wants to have it because he floated the idea once and people disagreed with him. The dangerous part is when it eventually becomes an embarrassment to him because Denmark and the EU won't budge.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 11 points 6 months ago

...just give him a sharpie and let him doodle on a big wall map; problem solved...

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 28 points 6 months ago

I think that invading greenland is an effective way to destroy nato. Russia and China would be pleased.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 15 points 6 months ago

Its a smart play for china.

China will be happy to pump this with trump.

Trump will happily be told by china he can have it if they can have Taiwan. He won't care about the second part, just hearing he is ok to proceed will send him signing orders

Then Europe/NATO will object complain, block fight etc.

Suddenly dollar isn't the Petro dollar anymore because of their stability issues. China will step up and trumpet themselves as the stable one so use them.

Once Petro dollar isn't USA anymore all hell breaks lose economy wise.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Other post on topic had comment on new shipping lanes near Arctic thawing and already being used by Chinese ships illegally and the rich fucks want control.

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[–] booganiganie@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Greenland joins US. Existing Greenland people not born in US. Deported coz not a citizen.

[–] Tramort@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago

Wow. You are so right.

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Why do we want Greenland anyway? It's the icy one, right?

No but serious question. What value does it have?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Mineral and oil extraction made easier by global warming. But the real prize is open shipping lanes over the Arctic.

Here's a great break down of the economics:

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Ffinance-and-economics%2F2025%2F01%2F23%2Fthe-arctic-climate-changes-great-economic-opportunity

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

Well that's nice and all, but IMO the real reason is Trump got laughed at last term when he suggested buying Greenland, and now he has to buy it to show how good of an idea it was and that he totally wasn't upset by the mocking. Like when you tell a toddler not to do something and they immediately start doing it more.

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Well damn this is depressing. Leave it to humans to capitalize on a dying earth.

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[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It looks big on the map, trump thinks he's about to gain 50% more land for america

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Resources, north sea access, missile defense.

It's dumb but with climate change it's valuable territory, geopolitically.

The stupidity is we already have all the military stuff we need there, and long standing agreements.

It's also Denmark's so we should fuck off.

In addition to it not being for sale, Annexation is bullshit because it doesn't provide proper representation to those that live there. The whole country was formed with ideas of representation and taxation in mind (albeit quite imperfectly). Anywhere the US flag flies, those under it should get full rights and powers as a citizen.

[–] Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anywhere the US flag flies, those under it should get full rights and powers as a citizen.

Including the moon. Especially the moon.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Northwest Passage claim

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Why does everyone keep taking Trump at face value? His security concerns are a cover for the resources American companies want to extract from Greenland.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The ones Greenland offered to negotiate a deal for?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't need a deal if you just steal it.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't need to steal it if it's offered to you.... I don't understand..... That's going to be my motto for the next 4 years. I expect it'll only get worse

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Unless the offer is everything is free and the US gets to control its territorial waters then it's not a good enough deal to them. Again, why buy when you can steal.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah. This is 1800's banana company level stuff.

Moreover, it is possible that this is one of his hander's favourite strategies. He's making a lot of smoke about the whole Greenland thing, so he is trying to bury something bad in the news. Potentially how staple item prices are going to skyrocket in the US when your oil, lumber and more than half of your raw minerals cost 25% more.

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No one dares to say something.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

The handlers will just let Donny play in a protected playpen and scream and shout all he wants and they'll throw in a stuffed toy or a plastic toy he can easily break and get his frustrations out.

The problems will start when little Donny will start to get out of control and start pushing buttons he isn't supposed to have access to.

Hopefully, the Nuclear Football is baby proofed enough to keep us all alive.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He has his loyalists in power. No one to say no to him and that will follow his orders.

He cycled through a lot of staff last time round

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[–] vzq@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Was it paywalled? I didn't notice anything.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago

A "world leader", ladies and gentlemen.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

This is an example of flooding the zone with shit do we talk about this and not the confirmations or the ICE raids.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago

taking greenland will just a easy simple step in making a list of names of all the people who would stand up/protest, before he starts all the actual wars in the middle east

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