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Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly

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[+] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 140 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 82 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Well since we're here:

You can't easily remap keys

You can scroll right but not left with the track pad

The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder

There was no window snapping until literally a few months ago

The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)

The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app

Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI

The Fn key is where the ctrl key should be and the alt key is where the command key should be (hardware, can't rebind without addon tho)

You can't control audio levels on external displays (because Apple)

Software does not support multiple displays per port and instead can only have one display per port, meaning in order to have two displays you need one cable for hdmi and one cable for USB-C, can't have two of each.

The mouse acceleration curve is a troll for anyone not using the trackpad, and cannot be adjusted aside from being turned off.

There's a ton more but these were just off the top of my head.

EDIT:

Because multiple people mentioned this, I have a big issue with the command/meta key shortcuts because of Apple's braindead placement of their keys on the keyboard, so its a combined hardware software issue.

I otherwise wouldn't mind having to use command except my pinky has to wrap around to hit alt or I have to shift my entire hand to hit command because using a standard keyboard layout like literally every single other keyboard in existence is too much to implement.

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I'm saying this coming from gaming on ye olde ass cheapo office keyboards for years with no problems, clunky Chinese knockoff keyboards with no problems, and even tiny compressed button keyboards with no problems.

And as others have also shared, I am forced to put up with this crap because of my work. Thankfully, most of my actual work happens inside a nice customized Linux VM, but switching between the host is still required and has been a painful experience. I genuinely gave it a solid shot for several months hoping maybe this was just me never using Mac UI before, but even with all the addons this UI is annoying to use.

I can't run a key rebinder though because the software is essentially a keylogger addon, so coaxing it to run even with IT is a pain, so now I'm probably going to buy another Corsair keyboard I can setup a hardware profile to make this a bit easier when I'm at least docked.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Not defending Crapple, but in the name of fairness, some of these aren't really accurate unless you're ignoring the spirit of the complaint and being pedantic.

You can scroll right but not left with the track pad

You can scroll up, down, left, and right if you use two fingers to scroll.

The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder

You can use command + backspace to delete selected files.

The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)

The rest of the OS uses command + c for copying. This is consistent.

Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI

This is a personal opinion. It's a valid complaint, but it's not a universal problem.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ultimately you may be right about these, but the issue at the heart of them all is that Apple makes their stuff harder to use by people used to other systems, on purpose. They could very easily institute a toggleable setting that'd change the hotkeys to be more like...ya know...every other OS. They could make non-Apple hardware work better (wouldn't be trivial but I'm fairly certain they put effort into making things worse as is), they could make messages and files transfer better between iPhone and Android, etc.

Lots of things they could do to improve the experience of non-mega-fans, but they choose to run their business in a way that punishes anyone who isn't using them for everything. And fuck em for that.

Edit: eh, you did say you weren't actually defending them, so I'm probably just preaching to the choir here. Just grumpy that I have to use one now and they punish me daily for my lack of utter worship lol.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Quick quibble:

at the heart of them all is that Apple makes their stuff harder to use by people used to other systems, on purpose.

As a UXD/usability and also software dev in both Windows and Mac OS software, I’d say Apple doesn’t make transition experiences harder on purpose. They try to make it as smooth as possible, whilst working within their own established design & dev standards, which is often the opposite of other companies’ philosophy.

Lesser-sought functions are nearly always changeable in settings or via terminal, and everything is easy to configure from the settings. That’s based on OS standards of not vomiting all options all over the UI (which is the polar opposite of Microsoft, so there’s some adjustment time yes. Seems the OS installer walkthrough/tutorials aren’t that effective.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's no way of globally enabling hidden files and folders, there's a terminal command that does it for vanilla finder windows, but none for the finder file picker windows that apps use.

Unclear if it's hardware or MacOS, but despite having the graphical horsepower to push enough pixels, Macs are limited to two external monitors unless you buy the multi thousand dollar Max processor.

It doesn't support high quality Bluetooth audio codecs like AptX.

It doesn't natively support Google cast or Miracast.

It doesn't support sub pixel text rendering so text looks like trash on 1080p LCD monitors.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not defending Crapple, but adding context:

There's no way of globally enabling hidden files and folders, there's a terminal command that does it for vanilla finder windows, but none for the finder file picker windows that apps use.

You can use command + shift + full stop to toggle hidden files and folders, if I recall correctly.

Unclear if it's hardware or MacOS, but despite having the graphical horsepower to push enough pixels, Macs are limited to two external monitors unless you buy the multi thousand dollar Max processor.

It's the hardware. Each display needs to have a dedicated controller chip and video signal encoder, and Apple decided to be assholes and only add two of them.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can use command + shift + full stop to toggle hidden files and folders, if I recall correctly.

Yeah, but thats a fundamental problem from a UX standpoint. If you're a software developer who needs to work with those files and folders, you can easily run into issues where you don't even realize that there are files there that are causing problems (or that you changing or deleting might cause problems with).

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's a persistent toggle. You could just leave it on permanently, which is what I did when I had to use a Mac for work. If they ever made it reset on reboot or on a timer, I would be pretty fucking annoyed, however.

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[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've had the fun experience recently of moving my work related dev to the company-provided laptop, and boy oh boy have I come to hate Apple quickly.

Most surprising one for me was how trash it is at scaling UI on large displays. I have a pair of 27" and the system text is tiny. Turns out if I had Apple displays things would work better and that scaling option would be available. Instead I'm stuck just switching to a lower non-native resolution, which looks like shit and feels really outdated, but at least I can read the text and use the UI properly.

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app

This made me rage quit using a mac at work

[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

https://lawand.io/taskbar/ you're welcome

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[–] oyfrog@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

CMD ` (backtick) will switch between application windows, if that's what was frustrating you.

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[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Don't even get me started on how god awful finder is, windows 3.1 was nicer to use, macOS is garbage painted silver

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Actively turning the PC into a walled garden

First point, could have worded it better, but that's definitely all software

Plus, Apple controls the entire stack so criticism of MacOS is criticism of their hardware and vice versa

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That’s iOS criticism. On MacOS, I compile software from GitHub and run it no problem.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago

Unless Apple decides the software is too old and isn't allowed to work anymore.

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[+] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering

Let me name a couple of shitty ones:

Your work's IT only supports Windows.
You work with industrial control systems or lab equipment that only supports Windows.
Hardware vendors are assholes that use proprietary protocols instead of USB device classes and don't release drivers for anything other than Windows.
You need to use CUDA.
You need to use a dedicated graphics card for some reason or another.
You're hosting a server, but not competent enough to use Linux.

None of those are reasons to voluntarily choose Windows, but sadly, they're still real reasons.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Swap in "iPhone", and nothing changes.

The iPhone was an improvement to what was before, trying to make MacOS into a walled garden is going backwards

Nobody is calling support for Windows, fuck windows to, but nothing you said negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC, the obliteration of upgradeability and near 0 repairability

If your SSD dies or you start needing more RAM for your workflow Apples position is, essentially, "Get a new laptop, fuck the environment!"

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[–] lengau@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago

Window management on macos is a joke

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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 55 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hated apple way before I hated windows. But basically just fuck corporations entirely. All of them.

[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I thought Apple was cool back in the system 6/7 days. I don't know if it actually was. I was a kid back then and just got to use it a little in school. I didn't daily drive it. But I did like it based off the usage I got.

When they switched to a BSD* derivative, it became less the the thing I remembered liking and my interest waned. Then they switched to x86 and it became something I felt was completely disassociated with what I considered to be a Mac. And while I could see those were smart choices on their part, I no longer cared for what they were offering.

And now I hate the company for the sorts of things the meme touches on. Not that consumer hostile practices are anything new for them, just more opinionated about it now.

That was rantier than I'd anticipated when I started, but already made it this far.

no hate intended on BSD. I run OpenBSD and FreeBSD on some things. More that it failed to match my nostalgia, I guess.

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly my M2 MacBook Pro feels like it’s built to last. I paid a lot, but I feel like I’ve gotten great value out of it and genuinely enjoy using it. And it’s still going strong.

But we have to talk about Apple’s hostility towards developers. It’s like they want to make devs miserable. That’s the part that’s unforgivable imo.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly my M2 MacBook Pro feels like it’s built to last. I paid a lot, but I feel like I’ve gotten great value out of it and genuinely enjoy using it. And it’s still going strong.

yeah until you want to upgrade or repair something, then it's fuck you buy another one. I get the apple premium, what I don't get is the scorn they show for people who have purchased their overpriced hardware when they want to upgrade it. that's just insulting - you gotta buy it with everything maxed out on APPLE ram, ssds etc.,

[–] BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apple making a proprietary pinout for NVME is what will keep me from ever giving them money.

https://assistenciaapplebrasilia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Apple-Propietary-SSD.png

It's not like Apple uses a different controller, or that they invented a different communication standard. They just put the same communication pins from the same controller on a different physical connector, and charge you 10x for the replacement part. It's why boards like this can work at all:

https://bartechtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/nvme2016macbookPRO-1-678x381.jpg

If Apple wasn't using standard NVMe controller communication protocols and controllers, these adapter boards wouldn't work at all.

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[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I used to be an apple certified repair technician. Fuck apple and everything they do.

Their hardware is purposely designed to be as unrepairable and difficult to get into as possible. They literally spent millions developing their own new screw types for the inside of their phones. Diabolical evil shit.

Their software is also ass, but I haven't ever daily used any apple products in my life so I am less annoyed by that. I only had to know how to fix em for years. Every time I have to trouble shoot a user issue on Mac it takes me like twice as long to fix because again they design it to be hard to fix things.

Stupid company. Shitty products. Microsoft and windows are right behind them though. Good lord has windows just continued to get worse and worse over the course of my life.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When my 2018 MBP touch bar glitched and a replacement was the whole-ass “upper case” including the battery, I knew we were cooked. Meanwhile, in my old 2012 MacBook pro I’m swapping parts like a madman to enjoy it, like you should.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

You can replace just the touch bar, I’ve done it, but it’s a nightmare. Much cheaper and less waste though

That thing is seriously glued on. Like people complain about the battery adhesive but it’s not really that bad, some solvent takes it out pretty quick on most models (though it’s still not necessary and would be much better if it was just screwed into place). That touch bar though, that glue is crazy and any solvent or heat you use has to be super carefully managed because you’ll melt the keys very easily. Some tutorials have you basically just smash the shit out of it and scrape away the resulting shards but that seemed like a bad idea.

For the record I did heat from the rear and light application of acetone. Took a bit but I was able to pry it up although I did break the first couple. Doesn’t matter really but it can make it harder to prep the space for the new one.

Also fun times: on some models if the touch bar glitches out it shorts the motherboard and causes random reboots

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah ~2014-2015 I think is when they started really soldering everything together and adding adhesive or their new special screws to everything.

Edit: fat fingered wrong year

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I architected and built a cloud based apple build system for a megacorp, what an anti consumer POS company. I hate apple with a passion.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This was kind of justified for the RAM.

Packaging LPDDR smartphone-style like Apple does makes the traces much shorter, which lets the RAM be faster and lower power. DDR5-5600 DIMMs in "regular" laptops are literally electrically maxed out, and power hogs because they run at crazy voltages for the speed. I would think that much voltage would degrade the CPU too.

Fortunately LPCAMMS solve this!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21069/modular-lpddr-becomes-a-reality-samsung-introduces-lpcamm-memory-modules

And Apple is totally going to use them since they have no technical excuse anymore... right?

RIGHT!?

[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The M4 Pro memory is quad channel, so I assume 256 bit.

The two LPCAMMS required for this would require a lot more space.

I give them a pass on memory packaging (but not pricing). SSDs are indefensible though.

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

Don't forget to buy your mom an iPhone.

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