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Although I have not watched a lot of Hasan videos , I think he is not actually leftist ! He is liberal at best , posing to be leftist ?

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[–] soiejo@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He went into Ethan Klein's podcats, whose audience is mostly liberals and socdems and said, in no uncertain terms that the uighur genocide is a lie. He is good friends with the Deprogram boys, which are open MLs. He regularly criticizes the dems.

There is a lot of criticism to be done about hasan piker, but dismissing him as a liberal feels like the usual "no true leftist" purity test

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He went into Ethan Klein's podcats, whose audience is mostly liberals and socdems and said, in no uncertain terms that the uighur genocide is a lie.

Damn. I don't think I'd have the guts to do that. When did he do that?

[–] DADDYCHILL@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

is there criticism though? like if you dont like his streams you probably are a chud.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

As an avid Hasanabi viewer, I have criticisms of him for sure, but not really regarding his politics. He's a classic react lord and it bothers me when, while watching a video on stream, he sometimes just gets up and leaves while leaving the video running. Also he's kind of a douche sometimes and quite aggressive towards random chatters, although I'll give him leeway there because oh my god do people online have the worst fkn opinions about Hasan Piker. I think if I got as much shit on a daily basis as him (while being forced to read it because it's my job to engage with the audience), I would lose my mind.

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[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

yes, there is a lot of legitimate criticism. he might have a couple of good China takes, but he holds a lot of state department propaganda as true— says there is a “cultural genocide” of Uyghurs and propagates the “state capitalist” obfuscation.

CW: sexual assault

he is also unapologetic abt soliciting prostitution and anyone who calls him out on it, he calls sex work exclusionary. im not gonna entertain a struggle session rn. but think abt this: to have solidarity with sex workers, one must understand that sex work is real labor, and labor under capitalism is coercive, therefore, soliciting sex from a sex worker is coerced sex (i.e. r***). johns are r***ists, to deny this is to deny the material reality of sex work, and insulting to sex workers

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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No thoughts on him but I find it interesting how the trueanon and CTH subreddits were more left than the podcasters but hasanabi's audience is more right than hasanabi

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Twitchchat freeze-gamer vs. citations-needed listeners

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

Good guy, great for baby leftists, he did a livestream with Adam Conover walking on the WGA picket lines talking about the history of unions, which is better than 99% of the rest of twitch imo

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (7 children)

He's become the best first step on the leftwing pipeline, replacing Breadtube and the Dirtbag left podcasters, which honestly isn't saying all that much. shrug-outta-hecks

I dunno, we work with what we got. Just saying that I'd rather point baby leftists to hasan-ok-dude rather than Contrapoints now.

I just realised we need The Deprogram and Blowback emojis now tho lol.

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[–] TheWorldSpins@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's pretty good actually. I don't watch his content because he spends too much time yelling at chatters but 90% of what I've seen is good. My main issue with him was some ace-exclusionary comments he made a while back but he's grown past that now.

[–] jungekatz@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tbh most content i have seen by him is talking about the GOP candidates and he is yelling , it feels like he is a dem , dods not talk much about theory , in a recent video he did talk about few good things but apart from that idk !

[–] TheWorldSpins@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

I'm not gonna type too many words defending him, he's a millionaire after all. Great class traitor though.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

A lot of the american-LA based leftist “influencers” are just fishing for a potential future career. Hasan is too “deep in the system”.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

He is liberal at best , posing to be leftist ?

He'd be the first pro-China liberal.

Edit: Clip

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[–] President_Obama@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That link didn't work for me for some reason, but this one does.

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[–] forcequit@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

He's the antidote to vaush type fake "left" liberals, he's extremely useful and a rare genuine pipeline for the left

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[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Some bad takes, but an important part of the pipeline to convert babies to leftism.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gateway leftist, it’s all okay, don’t get attached to Internet personalities, if you like listening it’s fine, just don’t be parasocial with podcasters.

[–] DADDYCHILL@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

hasan isnt a gateway, he is a leftist. as long as you ignore the contradictions of him living in a hollywood mansion and engaging in treat culture, the dude is a very important internet personality because hes basically using his immense wealth and privilege to do praxis like every day. hes a bourgeoisie class traitor like fredrich engles. nothing less than complete uncritical support for hasan should be from this website. he is far more influential here than the chapo podcast.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably has done more for the left than me. He’s a guy, Chapo dudes are people, im just saying don’t be to attached to the personalities in a positive or negative way. If you like the context listen, if you don’t, don’t hate and froth when people say they do.

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[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idk to what extent you can call him "bourgeoisie". He's rich, for sure, but he's not profiting off of anyone else's labor and twitch/amazon is directly profiting off of his.

He doesn't own a factory or a business with employees working for him. Unlike most workers, he has more agency over his own work but he still has to run a certain minimum amount of advertisements as dictated by the platform owners, for example.

I don't know enough theory to know where exactly the line is or if a certain amount of wealth just makes you bourgeois anyway, but yeah, I don't think it's that clear cut with our favorite gorillion-dollar-gucci-mansion-socialist.

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

seems like a lovely guy. his streams aren't for me tho. the arguments about whether a communist can own a fancy car are stupid.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

oh yeah and he's sexy

[–] blight@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] princeofsin@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If it wasn't for hasan I wouldn't have discovered bell hooks, J sakai, Carol Anderson, Hetronormativity, comp het, and cussy.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He seems to have done a decent job of radicalising people from my own small surveying of the situation.

I don't hear other streamers getting mentioned anywhere near as often as Hasan when people discuss their path towards radicalisation, for whatever that's worth.

I have never watched a full stream of his but he seems fine from clips that I've seen. I have seen him doing the typical streamerbro response/react videos and there's the inevitable drama streams etc. along with him keeping up with the hot take cycle so, y'know, he'll talk about Oppenheimer or the Barbie movie or whatever because it's relevant to pop culture at the moment.

I think he probably fills a similar niche to something like The Dollop which is leftwing content with emphasis on content (in the worst interpretation of the word). If that's what people on the left find interesting or entertaining then cool. I'd rather people be exposing themselves to left wing content than Fox News or whatever.

But at the same time there's a trap in that streamerbros aren't going to teach you theory and The Dollop is not a viable substitute for praxis but thinking that it is can lead people astray; consuming content isn't doing a leftism.

I'd say that if he feels like a liberal to you then that's probably a good indication that your own ideological development surpasses whatever he offers in his streams, which is a good sign and it means that you're looking for something more theory-heavy and less about the almighty content.

[–] jungekatz@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

I have grown up with the content , mostly books , and marxist leninist literature that my father has collected , I even tried to get into theory then , but it was too hard for me to understand then , however I took baby steps then.

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He is a really great part about of the pipeline if you know what I mean panting

[–] jungekatz@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Yes ! The pipeline !

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago
[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Streamers get the wall. Sorry, no exceptions

[–] vomit_sounds@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Did a bunch of shit like having been a John and other stuff (Brofessor), which he seems to regret. Wouldn't say he "radicalizes" people bc to me that means pushing people into violent/open to violence when tactically sound, instead of making them say controversial things. I still don't trust him or his audience, but people get really angry when you poke at their idols, so whatever.

Keep watching him and giving him 5 bucks if that is what you want. There are worse people. I am sure you are doing your part while watching him showcase gucci slippers and talking about how good trains are. debord-tired

[–] Ardipithecus@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Personally I enjoy watching him, more than other streamers. As others have said, he's important for the pipeline. What I will add is, for better or worse depending on how you look at it, he's a "dude's dude" which I think helps with the dumb "socialist soyboy" stereotype bs.

[–] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

He's the rare anti-imperialist socdem

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Basically alright for such a public facing figure?

[–] showmustgo@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Just don't ask him about the DPRK

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