Fears of peace talks
What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2023
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The U.S. and other backers say that only Ukraine can decide when the moment is right for Kyiv to enter peace negotiations. But that orthodoxy is being challenged in the U.S. by figures such as Trump and fellow GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who wants to cede Ukrainian territory to Putin as part of a proposal to break the Russia-China alliance.
But for Poland and the Baltic countries of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, engaging Putin for talks is a red line. And they say Ukraine’s supporters must prepare for scenarios where Putin is isolated completely.
One Baltic official, requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, told The Hill that Baltic states are concerned that pushing Ukraine into negotiations will have dangerous ripple effects throughout the region.
Many Europeans, especially eastern Europeans, want a victory/peace negotiation on Ukraine's terms, because they view Russia to be a threat beyond Ukraine if Putin wins.
Poland and the Baltics can't have red lines. You need agency and relevancy to have red lines.
Let me explain that to the European leaderships because it seems like they have no idea what’s going on.
The whole point of Ukraine (since the Maidan coup in 2013) was a necessary step to prevent European finance capital from overtaking the US financial capital in the wake of 2009 financial crisis. The European financial capital took off with the formation of the EU (previously EEC) in 1993 through cannibalizing (read: financialization of) the newly collapsed post-Soviet industries.
The 2022 war in Ukraine was a final blow to the rapidly growing European financial capital, and set off a permanent outflow as global capital (but most importantly, European capital) are sucked back into the US financial system.
That goal has been achieved. The US does not care how many NATO tanks Russia can manage to blow up. The US doesn’t even care if Russia shoots down a few of their F-16s. Their strategic goal has been achieved. Ceasefire or not, it doesn’t really matter anymore from the US perspective. The US has already won, and the Europeans have lost.
As the global financial capital are consolidated back to the US, this will set the stage for the final confrontation between finance capital (US) and industrial capital (China, or you can say BRICS, but it’s really mostly China).
This is why Russia-Ukraine war has to be the pre-requisite step before taking on China. If WWI and WWII (which was really just a continuation of WWI) of the early 20th century was an inter-imperialist conflict between industrial capitalist powers, which ended with the US victory over the Europeans, then the current conflict of the early 21st century is an inter-imperialist conflict between finance capitalist powers, which ends with the US devouring European finance capital.
Now, all the finance capital has flown back to the US, just as all the industrial capital is being consolidated under China - the heightened contradictions of capitalism finally will bring the two systems to an ultimate showdown.
“What do we need to do? Plan for Ukrainian victory. Not plan to stand with Ukraine ‘as long as it needs, as long as it requires,’” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said during a conference in Spain last week.
“Plan for victory, they need to win, they need to win for us.”
Win for who?? Win for who motherfucker?!?
Wow that is the most cursed headline.
