economic systems dependent on reliable growth will collapse
Huh, maybe that's the actual problem.
this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2023
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Disgusting people. I hope the list of attendees is leaked.
The world has almost 8 billion people. Maybe we could do with a few less.
I think that according to economists, no. We just need enough to keep the replacement rate up.
Which economists? I'm sure I can find some who believe that population should be reduced. Economics is more opinion than science.
Yes, about 3000 billionaires will do. But I doubt that's who you meant..
The rhetoric you're using does serve them though:
https://www.theworldmind.org/home/2021/12/10/the-dangerous-myth-of-overpopulation
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/26/16356524/the-population-question
https://theecologist.org/2020/apr/16/debunking-overpopulation
For reasons I don't understand, people seem to be incapable of separating any discussion of overpopulation from racism and eugenics. I think it's at the point where it's disingenuous, willful, or at the very least a massive blind spot in people talking about the problem. You should understand that bad people can embrace overpopulation with bad conclusions, and that should not taint reality. Hitler was an animal lover - does that mean it's wrong to love animals? That's the level of flawed argument we're dealing with here.
Jfc...
For reasons I don’t understand, people seem to be incapable of separating any discussion of overpopulation from racism and eugenics.
It's because they're fucking inseparable, you not understanding why or how (never mind being as wilfully ignorant as you are since you clearly didn't read word in the links I posted) doesn't change that
Let me copy pasta myself for the sake of anyone who actually wants to learn more before I leave this dumpster fire:
In reality overpopulation is a myth and rather population decline is a real concern in many countries.
Now of course we can talk about who this concerns and why (under the current system? It concerns those who need workers to exploit, white supremacists looking to "overturn" the "great replacement", in some cases both, and it also concerns the aging population that will end up with very little support, something which wouldn't be as big an issue if we had stronger communities, but alienation and all that jazz, as well as the fewer workers who will remain to keep the economy going for minimal pay as they get bossed around by AI, because capitalism), and also about who pushes the overpopulation myth and why, but the bottom line is - the population isn't and never has been the problem (we already produce enough food to sustain everyone alive today and then some), it is capitalism and it's dependence on creating infinite growth in a finite world, at the expense of everyone and everything on the planet (themselves included except for the handful who will end up in orbit or whatever. And then die) that is the problem, and what we need to get rid of if we want to stop this dystopian spiral.
Well that was a totally reasonable response from someone who is totally capable of considering the merits of an argument without relying on bad articles trying to drum up weak support for the author's preordained conclusion with circular reasoning. Nothing to see here folks. This guy has it all figured out and we should totally worship his correctness without debate.
IMO the only myth is the belief that it's a myth. The evidence is overwhelming.
This is a fine position if you're ok with your worst enemy getting to make the decision about who gets to procreate and live.
That's not what is being suggested in this thread.
The suggestion is that people (all of them) should have better access to, and education about, contraception.
I responded to this:
The world has almost 8 billion people. Maybe we could do with a few less.
Which is vague. And vagueness is often used to give plausible deniability when eugenicists are on the march. So cool on you for giving such grace to an internet stranger, but when I read things like this, it always includes what is between the lines.
And which social or ethnic group in particular do you suggest should be the ones to be sacrificed exactly? The answer to eugenics is not more eugenics.
Why does there have to be a sacrifice? Why can't people just be encouraged to use contraception?
Because the pope says I can't wear a little rubber thingie on my old chap.
How do you encourage marginalized people who have been historically discouraged from breeding due to eugenics reasons to voluntarily stop breeding because the people in power just lowkey want them to?
That escalated quickly! Zero to genocide in one comment.
and economic systems dependent on reliable growth will collapse
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn
Burn, motherfucker, burn
Not that much of a revelation. We've already seen what these weirdos think in their Twitter posts.
You can’t have reliable growth when the system cannibalizes everything. These people are next level stupid and their money should be taken away.
quelle surprise! protip: all white supremacy at it's core is eugenics
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Sounds about right
Sounds about white!
I forget which racist right wing news site it was.
The sidebar has a graph when white people will be the minority.
But they seemed like such lovely people.