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"Somalia and Egypt that rely heavily on Black Sea grain"
Well Somalia and Egypt, Russia is not only blocking freighters to bring you grain, but also intentionally targeting it and blowing it up in Ukrainian ports. Russia wants you to starve. Maybe back Ukraine a bit more to kick Russia out of Ukraine to get the grain flowing again to you?
The west wants to lift the sanctions and start buying your gas as soon as possible. Just fucking leave the invaded lands. Yes, it's that easy and yes, it's all on you.
Wait. Do you actually think anyone in the west is going to invest in Russia after this war? They've seen first hand what these people are. No way they are going to start buying oil from them.
Who said invest?... He said buy their gas. No one's going to make a substantial investment in Russia for decades now.
How about substantial investments around Russia? Like investments in all the countries that surround Russia, investments in weapons?
They absolutely will. The best way to keep people from using violence is engaging them in trade. It's why sanctions do, eventually, work. If the world were to punitively continue not trading with Russia after they've withdrawn what incentive do they have to withdraw? And how long do you think it'd come to blows again, except this time on a more massive scale.
Your attitude, if taken by anyone with any real authority, would be short sighted and dangerous.
They are going to flock in and try to buy it out from under them. Again. Probably fail harder this time since it's the same oligarchs in charge that benefitted last time.
And then probably try to move heavy manufacturing in there for slave wages.
Depends, Russia has nukes. Russia has a shakey economy right now. Civil war or a breakup of Russian territory is possible if it gets bad enough, and then it would be hard to predict who comes out with what armament.
You need to help Russia get back on its feet as soon as possible, just like what happened with Japan and Germany after WWII.
If we cut Russia off from everything forever, then we're just gearing up for something worse, just like Germany after WWI.
would be hard to predict who comes out with what armament.
I'm picturing a civil war with the democratic countries backing one side and authoritarians backing the other, like now in Ukraine.
We tried that, that's what got us here.
Maybe breaking it up is the best solution for everybody including russia?
Eh, Russia really isn't that big population wise. People get a warped opinion because of its size. A huge proportion of their population is in the southwest of the country nearer to Europe. The more north and east you go the more of a barren wasteland it is. Ukraine has 44M people Russia has 143M.
Go look up like a population density map of Russia. It's pretty crazy how much of the country is extremely low population density and undeveloped artic tundra type environment. I really don't think it needs to be "broken up" considering over 2/3 of the country is basically unpopulated.
That's why it needs to be broken up, the politics clearly don't work and it's not really fair for anyone.
Imagine the caucuses with their own state, and southeast Siberia also, you could have functional, dynamic countries that actually grow and aren't just targets of moscow propaganda and trade restrictions. They could export for currency to build their economies, instead of it all being channeled to the same few oligarchs.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Still, Putin’s remarks dashed hopes that his talks with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan could revive an agreement seen as vital for global food supplies, especially in Africa, the Middle East and Asia.
Russia refused to extend the deal in July, complaining that a parallel agreement promising to remove obstacles to Russian exports of food and fertilizer hadn’t been honored.
But failure to revive the agreement will have “drastic impacts” in countries such as Somalia and Egypt that rely heavily on Black Sea grain, according to Galip Dalay, an associate fellow at the Chatham House think tank in London.
Putin is looking for some relief from sanctions and at the same time is engaged in a “war of narratives,” Dalay said, because the Russian leader “doesn’t want to come across as the bad guy in the eyes of the global south as a result of this food insecurity.”
Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba on Monday urged Moscow to return to the deal, insisting “there were no legal and political grounds for Russia to withdraw from the agreement.”
U.S. National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson noted that Shoigu sought to persuade North Korea during his trip to sell artillery ammunition to Russia.
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