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We're never going to badger the current DNC corporate shills into working for the people... They'll need to be replaced before we can hope to stop the ratchet effect and start making real change
I’m sold. Let’s do it.
First step is making a place everyone can access and start collecting information... Any idea how to do that? I'm afraid I'm mostly tech illiterate
2nd step: we need to map out who actually gets to vote for DNC leadership/membership
It's more important to just build community. It will be a slow waking up for everyone to realize elections are no longer free and fair. A strong community will form a net to catch all these people when they finally do come around.
We built a strong community for/with Bernie... While we had a mission and leadership we got things done too, but as soon as the campaign ended and there was no more guidance, the community basically disintegrated... Community needs a plan and a mission...a mutual goal to work towards as a team... Plan the strategy and pass out roles and people will get on board and join the "community"
Which policy stance are you referring to?
Pretty much all of them... But how about citizens united just to throw out a big one?
Citizens United was upheld in a 5:4 voted by a conservative scotus in 2010, to overturn campaign finance laws written and passed by democrats in 1995 and 2002, and dems actually tried to put back in place some campaign finance regulations with H.R. 1 For The People Act.
In fact, they passed it twice in the house, only for it to get blocked in the senate by Republicans both times.
The DNC needs the far right. Without it, their candidates would have to run on actual positions, rather than just "Vote for us because we're not Republicans."
The DNC hires the same consultants for running campaigns that the RNC use so naturally they will all veer right. The DNC has stopped trying to represent the people and wants to get their turn at the money funnel.
Go listen to the Harris campaign featured on pod save america. These losers think they made the right moves, every time, and have no vision for the future that does not acquest to the right wing agenda.
Fun fact, how many eagles they feature in campaign ads doesn't dictate how right or left a politician is. Their voting history does. DNC as a whole is constantly veering left as polarization increased in the last 50 years.
As an outsider, I'd like to remind you 'muricans that you don't have a democracy, much less a democratic party. You have two big groups that are kept afloat by big money in need of "favors"
Dems have been right of center for my entire life. It's only because we have such far-right propaganda about socialism and such in schools that this seems normal.
Edit: when I made some comment / argument on a position in debate class when I was 15yo, the teacher whispered "socialist" to the class. I didn't even know what that meant. Whatever I said, it was sure to be about helping people and making the world more fair to end up with that comment.
Keeping at bay? The Republicans have the DNC by the throat right now.
I don't think so. If the DNC wants, they could easily win but they won't try.
"We could easily win but we don't want to for some reason"
:/
"For some reason"
pockets lined with benjamins
Lawmakers should be prohibited from having a net worth larger then the median house hold and required to log and post working hours, which should match the 40 hour work week the rest of us have to clock. These fucker's have it too easy.
Well I'm surprised you aren't aware that that "some reason" is politicians are cautious not to slight their wealthy backers.
Keeping it at bay? The fuck are you smoking
Similar to how Netanyahu's faction in Israel kept funding Hamas to justify their objectives on control of the state.
How exactly are they keeping them at bay?
We're further from stomping it dead than ever before
They rule the fucking country
Just to be clear, it isn't up to DNC committes or legislators to defeat MAGA. That's our job. We have to go out and convince people to vote for the Democrats. Independents sometimes, too. We need to remove Maga from congress by defeating them in elections, us the citizens have to do that shit.
Stop blaming the solution for the problem we're making, WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
It's absolutely the Dems job to not put up pathetic, loser candidates
What?!
The entire point of the democratic party is to get it's members elected.
And theyre a private party with no obligations to anyone else.
It's the parties job to convince voters to vote. It's not the voters job to always pick the lesser of two evils, especially when both parties use every opportunity to become more "evil" by siding with the wealthy more than regular citizens.
WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
We're not the ones who just wasted $1,500,000,000 and paid ourselves millions.
If it's our job why the fuck are we paying people fighting against us to do it poorly?
"Ummmmm you're kidding right? Our owners would never allow that. I was thinking more like swoop in and openly become the new right! Nows our chance to take the economic left mask off and embrace our neoliberalism!"
I feel like the LotR "Cast it into the fire!" meme would also work, where the ring is "Rich People Money"
We absolutely need to take advantage of the in-fighting, the DNC won't do it, but... we can get a Rich Vs. Poor narrative going...
Haha, no we can't. People enjoy the culture war way, way too much. Reddit and Lemmy are living proof. I see far more left vs right content than rich vs poor on here.
What is your definition of left-vs-right when rich-vs-poor is an explicitly left-wing framing? Are you so caught up in the culture wars to think left-vs-right is exclusively cultural?
We absolutely can
They go to the same parties organised by the same billionaires and their kids go to the same schools and marry each other.
Yeah the American flavor of left actually enables facism. Sadly it’s the same thing you see in places like Germany, UK, Canada, and France. France is relatively better.
"What would the donors think!?"
Abstentionists: *Don't vote for Dems*
Dems: *lose the election*
Dems: *go further right in an attempt to attract more voters*
Abstentionists: *surprised Pikachu*
I cannot believe that the democrats have completely disregarded the lead-up to, the years of the trump presidency, and everything that has followed.
One thing has been starkly and objectively true - republicans place party before country. Even if it hurts them or flies in the face of everything they claim to believe in, they’ll still vote republican. They have internally equated being a democrat to being lower than a pedophile, lower than a felon, lower than a nazi.
So no matter how far right the democrats attempt to go, the conservatives absolutely don’t give a fuck. They will set themselves on fire before they vote democrat. The Democratic Party needs to stop wasting time on them.
Cool, so next time we'll show up to support the Bernie-equivalent in the primaries unlike in 2016 and 2020, right?
Right...?
The constant refrain of "I don't understand why the Dem party is appealing to moderates when moderates win the primaries????" is immensely frustrating. And before the usual, predictable chorus of "RIGGED PRIMARIES" comes up, no, the DNC does not play fair, but that also doesn't mean they were stuffing the ballot boxes. They framed things in an anti-Bernie way, but that ultimately didn't matter because both times we lost by double digit percentage points against the fuckwad moderate candidate.
Our 'elites' are dogshit, but the essential problem is that the American electorate is neither educated on the issues nor particularly left. That is where change starts, so get educating instead of wishing for BAD elites to be replaced by GOOD elites.
And before the usual, predictable chorus of "RIGGED PRIMARIES" comes up, no, the DNC does not play fair, but that also doesn't mean they were stuffing the ballot boxes.
Rigged doesn't mean predetermined outcome, it means unfair odds. Claw machines are rigged. That doesn't mean you can't win a prize, but it does mean the odds that you'll win are very low.
They framed things in an anti-Bernie way...
That is a weird way to describe the Clinton campaign secretly taking over the party in 2015 and running the primary she was competing in. Here are excerpts from Donna Brazile's book, where she lays out exactly how Hillary took over the DNC. It's not the first time I've given you this information, but since you choose to ignore it, I'll keep sharing it.
When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party...When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.
The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.
Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.
As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.
Pfffft good luck with that