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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

The premise here is kinda blurred, but I think it does exist and goes something like that:

If you want to live and benefit from a society you must contribute to it

Is it wrong? Is it right? I think the anwser lies somewhere in between.

However one that is not established and I think it should be written down is one that my pops used to say:

Do not live to work, and if you love your job and enjoy it there more than anywhere in the world than you are already living, but even so do it with moderation else it will destroy you or turn something you love back to work.

[–] Sertou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There’s a difference between contributing to society by performing productive or helpful labor, and the sort institutionalized wage slavery we currently call “work.”

Most of us are subject to the tyranny of the clock, petty bosses, arbitrary rules about where we work or how we dress. This is what we never opted into and can opt out only after a lifetime of it or at great cost in terms of our ability to provide the necessities for ourselves.

Anarchist Bob Black explores this distinction in his essay, The Abolition of Work. I recommend reading it.

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[–] Decompose@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Why the FUCK do you think you're entitled to get the free labor of bakeries working hard to make bread, farmers farming to create food, and people building technology to make your life easier?

No, you don't have to work. Go live in the forest and farm your own food. Maybe then when a lion attacks you you'll realize the value of modern civilization.

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[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Who’s going to take care of you?

Are we owed anything simply by being born?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago

In actual civilization, yes, we are.

Basic accommodations are a human right according to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Jesus had a few things to say about feeding the hungry, but Paul didn't fully agree.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Arguably, yes, you are owed a debt to AND from society for its forced participation.

We have built a system I cannot easily escape without first participating in it for decades

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (31 children)

You think you should not work for a living?

[–] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

When current amount of automation and efficiency? Yes.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

0Nobody wants to toil. The profits funnel directly to owner pockets who do next to nothing to operate the company.

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