Four telecommunication cables connecting Finland out of service : world

[–] quinceyBones@lemmy.zip 97 points 7 months ago (3 children)

How many not-attack attacks are required until retaliation is on the table?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They say once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action. Seems we're past that now.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Best retaliation is more arms to Ukraine - a war that is already in progress and so you don't risk starting a new war.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Also a power cable Estlink 2 was cut. Finnish authorities have seized a vessel called Eagle S for likely having caused the damages. Finland's border guards were close by when it happened, and they saw that Eagle S's anchor was missing.

EDIT: YLE’s news about it in English: https://yle.fi/a/74-20133516

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Denmark and Sweden should just close off lake NATO to all non nato shipping. And any non nato ship that is allowed will have coastguard personell onboard during their stay in lake NATO. The cost of the operation is levied as toll on the ships.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Or Military takes all ships causing damage as compensation.

[+] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

it's them damn sharks again ain't it?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

CHOMP

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We all know it was Russia. They'll never admit it and spout some bollocks about western conspiracy theories. Just seize all their ships and property. Anyone trading with them gets 30 years in the slammer.

Patton was right, we should have dealt with the problem in 1945.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Problem here is that these ships aren't Russia's vehicles. Eagle S, the one that most likely caused these damages, is registered to Cook Islands, and is owned by Dubain company. And then there is international maritime law, that among other things doesn't allow blockades.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

If it wasn't for that pesky maritime law :-)

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

Should have paid the bill then.

[+] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Yes, yes, then they observe repairs, duration ect, and come up with a plan for grow to delay further, so they can then use the information in the coming war.

Here's an idea: execute the crew, seize the vessels, use loyal Chinese speakers for a mock return journey, monitor the radio (eg. do counter intelligence).

Keep those executions up, see how often it happens after you execute a few boats worth of officers. If that doesn't work, blockade the Strait of Malaca, the path China imports their oil by.

Oh, you can't do any of this because you outsourced all your manufacturing to China in the 1990s push for privatization screwing the local working class over?

Capitalism is dangerous for national security.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 70 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Summarily executing people over circumstantial evidence is also bad for national security. Glad you aren't involved in international geopolitics.

[–] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Plot twist, it's donald trump's lemmy account.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

Not a single sentence ALL CAPS FOR EMPHASIS? Can't be.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

execute the crew

Yeaah, I don't know about the rest of you but this is not the world I want to live in.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it.

The police quick response unit stormed the ship wielding guns. They were willing to kill and luckily they didn't have to. There's absolutely zero need to execute the crew. That's an insane thing to suggest.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They were enlisted in espionage, it's the ONLY way to respond if you have any respect for western freedom/democracy.

Do you want a foriegn invasion or corruption of western democracy, freedoms, rights? No, of course not. Do you have the people responsible caught redhanded, yes. Do you want to send a message to never do this again, or that there's swift and harsh consequences. Yes. Death is a good deterrent.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

execute the crew

Ahh, muricans.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

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