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People often talk about swapping out plastic straws for other materials to help the ocean/fish and the environment, but they also complain about paper straws falling apart easily. Other alternatives that are slightly more sturdy like straws made of straw don't seem very common.

But do we even need straws? My first reaction was that any liquid can be drunk directly from the vessel it's in, and straws just add another level of convenience. If we don't want to use plastic straws and the alternatives mostly suck (actually all straws suck πŸ€“), why not just ditch straws entirely?

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[–] nawordar@lemmy.ml 77 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There are people who have disabilities that prevent or make it hard to drink without a straw, for example, they have shaky hands and would spill their drink otherwise.

[–] Iunnrais@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want to add that the convenience factor they give to non-disabled people really helps the life-necessity factor for disabled people. Economy of scale helps a lot. Someone who needs straws to live can go to any grocery or convenience store and buy dozens or hundreds of the things for dirt cheap because the disabled people aren’t the only ones buying them, and that’s a good thing.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Or, they could buy one reusable metal one to last a lifetime.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That metal straw could end up impaling their brain though.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, somebody else explained to me that they can only use plastic straws for disabled folk

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[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Or after you go to the dentist yourself! Granted you can likely survive without drinking room temperature anything because your gums/terth are sore for a bit, but disabled people cannot.

[–] Unsustainable@lemmy.today 47 points 2 years ago

Straws are necessary to some people with mobility issues. It's important to rember that not everyone can do what you can do.

[–] Aidinthel@reddthat.com 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Many disabled people are unable to drink without straws.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/11/627773979/why-people-with-disabilities-want-bans-on-plastic-straws-to-be-more-flexible

On social media, many people have responded to claims that people with disabilities need plastic straws by asking what people did before plastic straws were invented. "They aspirated liquid in their lungs, developed pneumonia and died," says Shaun Bickley, co-chair of the Seattle Commission for People with DisAbilities, a volunteer organization that's supposed to advise the city council or agencies on disabilities issues.

[–] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

for some reason I always love those dark answers to β€žwhat did people do before X?β€œ

Sometimes we actually help people, improve lifes

edit: typo

Chronically ill person checking in to mention people with my autoimmune disorder died a slow painful death in the past or ate pig thyroid. And people with endometriosis just spent their days in intense agony (some/many still do because current medical treatment doesn't work for them).

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[–] al4s@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's a couple of reasons straws might be convenient or even necessary:

  • You have a disability that causes movement problems like shaking
  • Limited neck/shoulder/arm mobility or a swollen lip (The latter makes it hard to get a proper seal)
  • You wear lipstick or other makeup that could get washed away
  • Your edibles were too strong
  • You can build containers that don't spill when they fall over

(Edit: Add text at the beginning instead of just throwing a list out there)

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

For almost everyone, yes. But they have their purpose.

[–] alokir@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

The problem is not straws but the single use, non recyclable plastic ones. They're a convenience and not a necessity. Same goes for cutlery, plates, cups, bags, wrappings etc.

There are alternatives like durable plastic ones that you can reuse, metal or paper if you want single use straws.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Australia checking in...

I remember being taught in school to always use straws when you're outside so you don't swallow a bee or spider that's fallen into your drink.

This is probably more of a baseless anxiety than an actual risk though I guess. I guess aluminium cans are problematic because you can't see what's in your drink. Bees do always stop to investigate sweet drinks so yeah I guess a sweet drink in a can might be an actual risk without a straw.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I know a person that have her mouth stung that way. I'm not from Australia, by the way, and it's not common to teach this around here.

Anyway, at the country areas around here it's common to teach people to use straws with cans because when cans are stored badly, touching them with your mouth can transmit diseases.

[–] Event_Horizon5@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When I was a kid, a wasp went into my uncle's beer can at a backyard BBQ. My uncle didn't notice and when he took a drink he swallowed the wasp. It stung him 5 times on the inside of his throat and esophagus, and he had to be rushed to the hospital because his neck was swelling up. He wasn't allergic or anything; I guess that can just happen if you are literally stung from the inside. He survived, but it was a very close call, according to the doctor.

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, the safest way to swallow a bee or spider would probably be after it drowned. So that just makes no sense at all.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hmm, insects don't really down the same way mammals do. A layer of air gets trapped against their thorax, some spiders use this to hunt under water IIRC.

Other commenters have replied with accounts of this happening.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They are arachnids not insects, but fair point.

Diving-bell spiders are very specialised and rare spiders, the vast majority doesn't have that ability.

I mean you shouldn't swallow them, but I don't think straws are needed to prevent that.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The majority of arachnids don't hunt under water, but they also don't drown easily. I've seen huntsman spiders float on water like it's no big deal.

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[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

They work well in moving vehicles but beyond that we could ditch them entirely. Edit. I should have said for most purposes. They do work well for kids or someone injured, hospitals etc.

Straws are a strawman argument to begin. That plastic drink cup has about 50 times the plastic of your typical straw.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

They also work well for little kids. Drinking from the rim of a cup is harder for wee tots than sipping through a straw.

I’m not saying this makes them a life essential, just noting one more case where they really make sense.

[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

They stop your lipstick smudging, too.

[–] Luke_Fartnocker@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Some places have laws against drinking from a cup without a straw while driving because the cup can block the driver's view.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Technically all inventions are "unnecessary but convenient." Our ancestors got by just fine without fire or tools or clothes for much much longer than we've been inventing tools and using them.

Don't get me wrong, today's humans would almost certainly die out without our tools because we've adapted so heavily to having them (especially fire and clothing).

[–] alias@artemis.camp 5 points 2 years ago

*For varying definitions of "just fine".

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Our ancestors didn't get by without fire, if you mean ancestors as in members of our species.

We're human because fire allowed us to grow our brains larger than typically possible. Protohumans discovered how to use fire long before we existed.

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[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the rare event i drink soda, i sometimes use a straw because it feels like it doesn't affect all my teeth as much. Without a straw, it feels like the soda reaches all teeth and molars, while a straw directs it more locally. I once bought some stainless steel straws.

[–] Woozy@dmv.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I cringe in horror at the idea of children using stainless steal straws. There's so much potential for horrible accidents.

[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Good thing you mentioned this. I agree, i wouldn't give these to children.

[–] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Germany plastic straws are forbidden these days. There's straws made of metal or wood still. Can't comment on the larger question tho. I've never used straws to begin with.

[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I like a lot of ice in my drinks so I definitely prefer a straw. I'd rather replace the big plastic cup the drink is in..

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

As a facial hair have'r straws are nice to not get my beard covered in wet. That being said I rarely use straws.
There are likely some folks with disabilities that make drinking without a straw difficult but probably most of us don't really need them. We could also think about redesigning glasses or something if that would help.

[–] chrizbie@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I heard an american the other day talking about large noodles being used as straws, I don't know if this was pasta or whatever but I thought that was insteresting

[–] Duchess@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago

aside from the previously mentioned uses for people with disabilities, i'd also mention straws can be very helpful for young children first learning to become independent. boba would be pretty difficult to drink, too.

[–] nydas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Way easier to drink a drive-thru drink from a straw while driving. And it’s a drive-thru, so kinda assumed you’ll be consuming it behind the wheel. My toddler also has a habit of not fully creating a seal between his bottom lip and the underside of the cup. So a straw in that case saves a lot of spillage.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd like to have a metal collapsible straw that I can take with me anywhere and wash after a few uses. The metal it's made of has to be odorless and flavorless too, because you don't wanna feel like you're drinking blood, don't you?

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A stainless steel straw works well for this. I’d recommend against collapsibility though. It really complicated things. Maybe just make it alightly shorter than normal.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Oh well. It's a nice alternative.

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