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Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.


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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Simple. The age of gas cars is over and anyone who doesn't adapt is history.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Also, at 1kWh@0.2€ it's about 330 charges of free energy (that would otherwise be wasted) to pay it off.

Which is impressive.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Interesting read, thanks for sharing. :)

Concern: will there be enough lithium to continue battery based electrification at the current pace?

Consideration: are sodium-based battery technologies following the curve of lithium based technologies? (Because unlike lithium, they won't be limited by access to raw material.)

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Lithium is the 31st most abundant element on earth. Running out of lithium is not a realistic concern.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Being 31st doesnt have any meaning by itself tho. That could mean that its super common or super rare, it means literally nothing. Also unless its in read to use form, you have to process it somehow which itself might be a bigger issue than availability.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There is so much Lithium out there we just need to look for it now that we need it. It's not hard to find, we just need to look.

And when we look, we keep finding massive amounts of it, because it's so common

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2024/10/24/new-study-confirms-huge-us-lithium-reserve9-times-global-demand/

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Sea water also has more gold in it than within the dirt. There's a very good reason why we don't extract minerals from the ocean.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago

Nice to know that they can also extract it from seawater. :) Sodium is already (more) available in that way.

[–] HeckGazer@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm sorry I'm just so distracted by that thumbnail. Why are the plates at the same height while the arm is so tilted?

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Because it's genAI of course..

ChatGPT generated panoramic image of a Chinese battery pack on one side of a scale and a tank labeled "H2" on the other, with the battery pack side much lower

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago

Because AI can't into logic

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Implicatipns are simple and well known - chinese slave workers.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The sheer amount of slaves in China is impressive - they basically create everything over there it seems.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's totally not artificially low price of their currency propping exports. China totally wasn't buying US bonds for decades to keep this up. No, this is marxist-lenninist social media, we believe in slaves here. Everything cheap=slaves. No other possibilities exist.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In reality, it's a mix.

Extreme exploitation of labour (and in some cases, outright slavery) is a thing, and Chinese companies are no strangers to doing it. Independent trade unions don't exist in China and their state sees independent political players as a threat. As a random and recent sample: Chinese maker of battery electric vehicles building a factory in South America - workers were found to have slave-like conditions.

However, Chinese companies are also pursuing automation and robotics very seriously.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago

In reality, it's a mix.

The worker conditions in china are definetly shit, but I doubt slavery (and I mean real slavery, like gulags in USSR or cotton plantations in USA) have meaningful share in chineese GDP

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

Funny how you're getting downvoted by people who just don't want to admit that they're encouraging it