I'm kind of upset that this 'toxic' person came from the same instance as I'm using. Most people I encounter on the local pages aren't bad folks.
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I complain about the same thing, actually, and get accused of the same thing. I don't know whether this was true for the person in this example, but the modlog severely lacks context, which is what I'm confronted with as I clash heavily with the extremists on this platform who constantly advocate for murder, mob rule, and genocide, or them simping for terrorist groups like Hamas.
Same thing happened on Reddit, just opposite spectrum, like them refusing to remove Nazi content, calls for genocide and violence against brown people & muslims. Lemmy has basically the same issue as Reddit, where power tripping mods are in full control of the narrative, and the modlog helps them because they can just scrub the evidence and then claim ridiculous removal or ban reasons. I got recently accused by another user for being a political troll like Linkerbaan (if you don't know, some Nazi shithead troll with the dumbest takes), even though mine and his reputation points (mbin) were literally polar opposites, since he was easily identifiable as a negative karma troll (something Reddit unfortunately made harder by capping their karma system at -100). All just because I have a firm principled stance against extremism. Their alleged proof was the modlog of my account, by directly comparing it to his. His account was older, but he also only had like 90 or so comments, while I'm at like 4700 and also tend to participate in politically loaded topics.
db0's community is laughable as well, because db0 himself is doing mod abuse and partially responsible for how my modlog looks like, since he's controlling so many communities (good old powermods, another issue imported from Reddit). He's accusing me of painting all leftist (which ironically would include myself) as terrorists or whatever. First example:
I confronted him later where he tried to blame other mods, then other instance admins: https://
A while ago I got banned on various communities that db0 moderates, for the same alleged accusation / spin, just because I said that the same people who glorify the murder of that asshole CEO, who now call for more killing, are the same people who also suck Hamas dick.
Maybe you don't like my choice of words for those people, but that does not make me a troll. And just because the majority on this platform seemingly seems to swim in this extremist direction, does not mean I have to join that mindset too, just to fit in.
TLDR: This platform lacks nuance, just like Reddit. Probably worse than Reddit.
But can't you see how you are hurting the cause that you are advocating for by using such language? I don't believe that you are a troll, yet you are using language that is troll-adjacent. I will give some examples.
This platform lacks nuance
Agreed.
, just like Reddit.
Less so I would argue, b/c the modlog does not "scrub the evidence" so much as it preserves it for those who want to see it. BTW being on Mbin you may not know, but a recent Lemmy update allowed people to click on the hamburger menu (3 ellipses) and see the entire modlog history for a particular comment - e.g. if it were removed, then unremoved, then removed again, etc. It's less difficult now than ever before to see EXACTLY what happened to a particular piece of content (again, on Lemmy, I doubt this works on Mbin).
Probably worse than Reddit.
This is hyperbole, emotional "feels like" hurt words, which you offered no actual evidence in support of, plus above I've just shown how it seems to many of us that the opposite is true? Yet you did not seem aware of those facts, so how are we to interpret your statements then - that Mbin is worse than Reddit, but that Lemmy can still be better? Note we can't speak to the entire "Fediverse" unless we also have experience with Mastodon, which I for one do not.
And there are so, SO MANY additional examples like that - e.g. I very much doubt that db0 literally "suck Hamas dick" (I mean even if he were to swing that way and thereby have the motive, the chances for that opportunity seem somewhat slim, on a global scale:-P).
You can do whatever you want. But so too can others? And yeah, many people aren't going to like your words. Maybe don't be so surprised then when they act on what they like/don't like in their own community, which they created and expend all of the effort to moderate? Instead, create your own, and then feel free to use whatever toxic words you you like inside of it. Although people can choose to defederate from it, so don't be surprised if they do - you do not get to tell others what to do.
Edit: lolz I misspelled hamberger:-P
This gives me a fun idea, scrape the modlog for ridiculous moderation and post the results.
Unfortunately only certain people would find it funny, most of them outside of Lemmy.. :)
Calling out mods for what? Not allowing your brand of freeze peach? Personally I think Lemmy needs more strong moderators because right now most instance's "all" feeds are just another stale parade of "memes". There is a lot of junk filler, and very few unique communities that make the Lemmyverse something that stands apart from Reddit.
I would also encourage instance admins to de-federate instances that host your idea of a "community" purpose built to publicly "call out" users. It's toxic.
How is your instance doing ?
Why I left Startrek.website, created TenForward, and the admin abuse I've suffered from ST.W since then
https://lemmy.world/post/11959030
Also, about the mods, that community already exists, it's !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com