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These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.

They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.

I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.

As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:

Is it worth it?

I have the answer, I know you know it as well:

No its not

I used to think otherwise

I was a fool

its not worth a few laughs

even if you dunk all you want, that doesn't take away the knife those people put in our backs.

These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don't make any room for them offline, why should we not online?

And really

How many essays have your written?

How many sources have you combed through?

How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?

How many attempts at good faith?

Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don't read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.

For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the "good faith one" just reverts back to their old shit.

Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?

I don't believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.

Is posting a meme to "own the liberals" worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?

No its not.

you've had your laugh, but it should end

Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.

Defederate from those communities. We shouldn't sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren't reddit. We came here to get away from that. I'm sick of this. We are sick of this.

End it now

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Defederating now is like stopping at Berlin.

We will bury the libs in a tide of pig poop balls.

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[–] RION@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

i feel vindicated for being wary of it from the beginningsmuglord

[–] raven@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was in support of it but federation is bringing out the worst in us. I'm seeing quite a bit more slack given with ableism and some other things we wouldn't have allowed here before. We can do better.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, need more TC69 Thought.

Gonna steal my own stolen bit and post it here.

It's outrageous, where's the TC69-thought that comes and bans everybody right away? This would never have been an issue on chapo.chat. Used be that if you did a transphobia you got banned. Liberals... We had a special ban for Liberals. Racism: banned right away, right away. You're being anti-communist: banned, sectarian: banned right away. Being too debatebroey: banned, not being debatebroey enough: also banned. You're being too fast at responding: banned. being too slow: banned. You start a thread and then don't respond to people answering you? Banned. You upvote hornyposts about transpeople: Banned. You don't upvote hornyposts about transpeople? Believe it or not, also banned. We had the best posters in the world, and it was because of ban.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FWIW even though I've been kinda shitposting in here, DM harassment is way beyond the pale and I uncritically support nuking anyone and anywhere that's coming from

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[–] comfortable_doug@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I liked pre-federated Hexbear more. It was more fun talking with people who I knew were good faith without having to deal with a ton of dumb hogs. Making fun of libs is fun and all but it's getting old. And to add if there are assholes harassing our users we should defederate.

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[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Respectfully, I do disagree. I've seen a huge amount of federated users reconsider their ways with our presence. I've hung about on various account for years, but I'm not sure I want to go back to closed-loop hexbear, I forget how the minorest of things because huge pointless arguments, and now we have actual important points to correct again. The 'old' relationship was never as fun as you remember it.

Although splitting is rarely a fun idea, given that Lemmy is an all-or-nothing federation affair, maybe splitting into federated and non-federated sites is the answer.

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[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I hope hexbear doesn't defederate. Ya'll are pretty cool. Lemmy has been better since.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are a hilarious poster fibby, but the amount of bigotry and cryptofascism encountered in federation lately has been almost radioactive

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[–] LiberalScratcher@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I’ve been on hexbear since the day it started (obviously not from this account) and I’m about to just give it up completely.

The bad memes alone were almost enough to make the feed unusable, but even when I’m using local only mode I have to read the worst takes imaginable from people off site.

I left Reddit when we got the boot from there and realized it was good for me, but this just feels like going back and now I can completely understand why it sucked.

[–] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I had warned of exactly this happening when the federation discussion thread was still up. The site culture will change, and the process is irreversible (so long as we remain federated). The people who like the chapo era shitposting will love the change, but the people who seek the unique vibe of Hexbear will find themselves losing that space. There will be new people who join and old people who leave, which changes the composition and the culture of the forum. People told me back then that you can just stay out of it by not activating the All tab, but this is clearly not true.

For the record, I am for the federation, but I had asked that a contingency plan be made for people who find peace in the unique culture of this forum who clearly doesn’t want to be bothered with Reddit style liberalism.

[–] LiberalScratcher@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah federation was certainly effective for giving the site the old subreddit feel, but I liked what Hexbear became. There was no other place like it and I say that as someone who isn’t particularly vulnerable. I can’t imagine what it’s like for people who are.

This might sound self serving, but as a cissie having a space where vulnerable people could talk openly (particularly trans people in Hexbears case) was useful in my own radicalization. Every day I was reading perspectives from people whose lives I would never experience, and it was honest and everyone was nice.

But I kinda feel like we threw that out the window and let the jackals in and now we have to re-litigate the whole thing again. I don’t wanna. Especially considering if I do want to argue with people who aren’t worth the lifetime stroke count from the keys on my keyboard I could just go to literally any other social media platform on the internet.

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

sh.itjust.works loser admins: Let's have a sham thread where everyone votes for defederation but we vote no so we still get freeze peach cred

Hexbear beautiful admins: Get fucked assholes

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (7 children)

100% agree. federation has made this site much worse with next to no benefits. @CARCOSA@hexbear.net please hold a vote on full defederation

Death to America

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

not lemmygrad, lemmygrad has never done us wrong

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[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Well yeah, they're liberals. Bloodthirsty bigots that are convinced they're the opposite due to cultural hegemony.

Also cowards.

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[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yeah I found it odd we federated with them. I'd not heard anything good about SJW and I gotta admit the name seemed to activate my dogwhistle senses.

I enjoyed dunking on them, but if they're going to participate in targeted harassment of individual users, then defederate we must. I'm sorry they did this to you.

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[–] impiri@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago

FWIW, I love y’all and am always delighted to see a hexbear user on the broader lemmyverse. If federation is turning what should be a safe place into a vector for harassment, though…

[–] Tripbin@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

I'm 100% back on completely defeding from everyone. Go back to being the cool as shit site it was before. Everytine I visit it's just non stop conversation of what federations done what fucked up shit and if we should allow it or defed only to obviously defed cause these fucks are always too chuddy. I just don't see what value is being gained. We can still make anroesence on other instances and people who aren't fucks can still make accounts here and enjoy the site.

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly I stick to local 95% of the time and it's still just frustrating to have some jackass come in and be transphobic and just derail the entire conversation. I generally try to interact in good faith if there's even an inkling, and they either pick a single line to call you out for or they'll ignore it entirely and keep going with their propagandized lines. I've had no actual positive interactions and I've seen very few positive interactions with people outside of Hexbear getting called out for their shit. How is there any room for good faith when they're saying Winnie the Pooh is literally illegal in China, given a photo of Winnie the Pooh at Shanghai Disney and just keep going? They just want to be racist reactionaries and it's making us worse having to even look at it.

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[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

This website became a lot less fun after federation, but that’s just like, my opinion, man.

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