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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This doesn't really surprise me. Overwatch 2 is basically a momument to the rot at the core of Blizzard. Its biggest saving grace is that there hasn't been a serious challenger in the hero brawler space (sorry Concord) until now.

For my money, I still think Deadlock is going to be the game that comes out on top, but it probably needs another full year to cook.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

There's no chance Deadlock beats Rivals.

Rivals is simpler and is based on the world's most valuable franchise. It's the formula behind it's mass adoption. Deadlock requires the player to think more, and that alone makes it less popular than more braindead games.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Considering Rivals has already fallen into a GOATS meta and NetEase seems poised to repeat literally every one of Blizzard's mistakes...I wouldn't be so sure. I'll keep giving Valve the edge because Deadlock is a fundamentally good competitive game, and it's backed by the guy responsible for making DOTA 2 the best balanced competitive game. Maybe it won't stay at the top, but 10 years from now it's going to be trundling on and Rivals will not.

[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

what's a goats meta? I know very little about competitive overwatch/rivals

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 2 points 8 months ago

3 Tanks + 3 Heals, designed to group on an objective and slowly grind out a victory. Blizzard spent quite a lot of time getting rid of the strategy in OW1, and it has never been possible in OW2, because it's both boring to play and boring to play against. mm

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the world's most valuable franchise

Big pause on that one, theres a few franchises above Marvel

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But marvel some how takes up 9 spots on the list. Its a terrible list if they overlap. Marvel is one of the tops if correct.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Combining all of them puts marvel at the #2 spot, however Disney does not own the rights to Spiderman. I dont know how you feel about that but that still leaves Pokemon at the #1 spot

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Other then fuck gamefreak and nintendo? Nothing really because im not suprised.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

The world's most valuable franchise is Pokémon. I will say the list specifies the MCU so IDK if that includes all Marvel stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Neither Deadlock or Rivals are going to beat each other because they are extremely different and play nothing alike. Both games will probably be successful.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

They're different genres, not really direct competitors

[–] Breadhax0r@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My friend and I were just talking the other day how Marvel looked like a carbon copy of overwatch, and we both agreed we'd still rather play it over OW because Blizzard sucks.

I wonder how many people have jumped ship just because of that.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

because Blizzard sucks

Is netease any better?

[–] Breadhax0r@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

No, and i don't actually play either game. But I recently saw my husband playing OW2 and I got mad all over again at how it's identical to the first OW and the only reason for it was to more aggressively monetize.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

They haven't pissed off the Blizzard players yet.

[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Article gives zero reasons. I'll add my opinion. Newness factor. Not having the meta settled, the lack of map knowledge, etc. Just all the things that circle the "new" of such a game drives the folks at the moment. It's got the feel of early OW when you just picked your person, got on a map, and did the objective not really knowing anything.

It's yet to see how the balance patching goes for the game and how new characters for the game go. I'll say the game does one thing out the gate better than OW2 and that's the reduced FOMO in the game related to battle pass. You buy the battle pass, you have infinite time to complete it. Now you can't sit the fence on if to buy the BP or not, hence my "reduced FOMO", but this is one of those things they've started doing in a lot of other games like Halo and what not, and it's something that I think Blizzard should do for OW. But I don't think that alone is going to turn the tide massively.

But I will say that Rivals and OW2 are absolutely proving the F2P is here to stay as a model for games. So I really think those in the OW community who were salty about OW2 swapping over have basically lost the war on the topic.

Again, all my 2¢, and I'm not claiming to be some scion of knowledge in the gaming industry. Just letting you know my feels.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

But I will say that Rivals and OW2 are absolutely proving the F2P is here to stay as a model for games. So I really think those in the OW community who were salty about OW2 swapping over have basically lost the war on the topic.

I mean, whether f2p would contiue wasn't really ever in question. Its been a successful model for multiplayer for a decade. The question is more in how abusive monitization can be before players will move to competition or leave. Hopefully this shows that players are eager to jump ship (or at least move to competition) when the monitization is as bad as OW2.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Let's see for how long

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 8 months ago

I wonder what Disney is going to do when people start making Blender porn with their models.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 0 points 8 months ago

Deadlock killer?