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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 294 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

~~This claims to be his story. I haven't verified it, but I have no reason not to believe it. Basically, UHC tortured his mother for years through denial of care, then they did the same to him.~~

~~I would note that he is 26 years old: He likely just aged out of his parents' health insurance policy, and I would guess that he can't get decent coverage on his own due to his pre-existing condition.~~

Edit: This has since been described as impersonation. While there is certainly a truth to it, it is not the truth.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 100 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Because of the ACA (Obamacare) requirements, he can't be refused or charged more for coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

Whether that insurance denies claims for treatment, however, is still very much in play. I've heard you should ask the names and certification of the person or people responsible for the denial of your claim, in writing. Because a lot of the time it's an algorithm or an unqualified peon, and the company can get in trouble for that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago

the company can get in trouble for that.

Tricky to press charges when you're dying

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm deeply curious about the source

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I, too, am curious. But, I read this part of a short story in The Things They Carried, many, many, years ago, and it stuck with me:

You can tell a true war story by the questions you ask. Somebody tells a story, let's say, and afterward you ask, "Is it true?" and if the answer matters, you've got your answer.

For example, we've all heard this one. Four guys go down a trail. A grenade sails out. One guy jumps on it and takes the blast and saves his three buddies.

Is it true?

The answer matters.

You'd feel cheated if it never happened. Without the grounding reality, it's just a trite bit of puffery, pure Hollywood, untrue in the way all such stories are untrue. Yet even if it did happen - and maybe it did, anything's possible even then you know it can't be true, because a true war story does not depend upon that kind of truth. Absolute occurrence is irrelevant. A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. For example: Four guys go down a trail. A grenade sails out. One guy jumps on it and takes the blast, but it's a killer grenade and everybody dies anyway. Before they die, though, one of the dead guys says, "The fuck you do that for?" and the jumper says, "Story of my life, man," and the other guy starts to smile but he's dead.

That's a true story that never happened.

I don't know that this article was written by Luigi Mangione, or if Luigi Mangione killed the CEO. But, I do know that this story is true, even if it never happened.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i think there are two different meanings of truth here, and it sounds like one of them might be referring to aletheia. from the wikipedia page:

Heidegger gave an etymological analysis of aletheia and drew out an understanding of the term as "unconcealedness".[6] Thus, aletheia is distinct from conceptions of truth understood as statements which accurately describe a state of affairs (correspondence), or statements which fit properly into a system taken as a whole (coherence). Instead, Heidegger focused on the elucidation of how an ontological "world" is disclosed, or opened up, in which things are made intelligible for human beings in the first place, as part of a holistically structured background of meaning.

edit: just want to say that i agree with the message, and i think it's true that things don't have to actually happened in order to be true in some sense. i think the term aletheia can be helpful for making the distinction and wanted to share it for that reason

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 45 points 7 months ago

I really hope this is genuine, because whoever wrote this did an amazing job of conveying their feelings and experiences in a very short piece of literature.

[–] aislopmukbang@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Doubt. Doesn't include any of the statements authorities have quoted. They also mentioned the handwritten manifesto was 262 words.

Even if this isn't the manifesto, his family had money, this reads like it was written by a high schooler, and it was posted yesterday.

real one was just posted https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

[–] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 170 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is chilling how thenwhole internet is fed up a story of a man before his sentence. If this guy is innocent his whole life is already exposed forever just for memes and a penny. We are the big brother and we suck.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 123 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The "we did it reddit!" phrase comes from redditors trying to track down suspects of the boston bombing. Redditors found a guy they strongly suspected, then found personal info on them and began harrassing him and family, including death threats.

It was the wrong person.

Imagine being that person accused! One day just living life, the next experiencing a horrible bombing, the next being tracked down by a misguided internet randos on a manhunt.

This is why having some basic privacy is important before you need it

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but just one detail from what I'm seeing on the linked article - "that person" committed suicide a month before any of that went down. I don't think it invalidates the point, even though being alive and present to be interrogated might've changed things, but it comes off comical when talking about how horrible the experience must've been.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

You're right! I should have said "those people accused" because there were multiple suspects. The one I linked was the most prominent of them. Sorry!

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[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 138 points 7 months ago

It just shows anyone can do the right thing

[–] superkret@feddit.org 124 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He did everything right and believed in the system.
And then he himself, or someone close to him, got a diagnosis that ensured life-long medical debt and poverty.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 75 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He seems to have had a spinal surgery and had pins put in his spine. Books he's looked at seems to indicate chronic pain and fights with insurance companies.

It was exactly what every single person thought who wasn't paid to think otherwise.

[–] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 56 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Had exact same fusion performed.

4 screws, 2 rods to connect them, and a 3-d sintered titanium cage between the vertebrae.

I can attest to the chronic pain and wanting to armor a bulldozer

[–] eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

chronic pain conditions are something our healthcare and disability systems specifically don't handle well and I haven't met anyone suffering from them that doesn't want to [redacted].

my experience with it has been nebulous and hard to diagnose but incredibly disabling. certain treatments like acupuncture or cupping that specifically target fascia, or shit like somatic therapy, aren't really legitimized by insurance so absent of a diagnosis with a known intervention your choices are to go to a pain clinic and take something possibly addictive or pay your way into alt medicine providers who can either be exactly who you need or hokey grifters.

and I can only imagine the hell that insurance companies put you through for surgical interventions they are supposed to cover but definitely don't want to. reading my partner's rejection letters from her company disability provider has been fucking fascinating

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 104 points 7 months ago

The privatized healthcare system happened.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 86 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The simplest answer is he was pissed at UHC for denying medical claims for him or the ones he loved, and the CEO had dialed up the denials so an obvious target.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

iirc on one of his social medias the banner was a back X-ray with medical nails or screws in it. I assume he (or someone he knows) was having back issues and got denied.

[–] Ostrichgrif@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

His former college roommate said he always struggled with back problems which is one reason he tried to work out so much

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 86 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Someone said he was in a surfing accident and needed pins/plates put in his back. His profile (https://i.imgur.com/2g1ZGBa.png) shows an X-ray of a back that's had surgery done on it.

He's 26 and just come off his parents' healthcare. [Except his family is wealthy, so I'm not sure if this one is relevant or not.]

[–] devils_advocate@sh.itjust.works 73 points 7 months ago (6 children)

You can be wealthy and not be "pay your own medical bills" wealthy.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 42 points 7 months ago

Apparently his mother was also being screwed around by UHC.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes you can have wealthy parents and still barely make ends meet

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 72 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

Either Luigi ain't the guy, or bro or someone he knows got cancer or some shit and had United health insurance deny life-saving drugs/operations.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I saw a post earlier supposedly showing Luigi's ~~neck/upper back~~ lower back X-rays after some sort of surgery to install support implants of some sort.

https://lemmy.world/post/22966582

Disclaimer: Just like most everyone else online, I can't confirm or deny a damn thing.

Edit: I stand corrected, that was his lower back.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago (3 children)

ITT: some really healthy skepticism over some of the “evidence” allegedly written by the shooter. I’m kinda impressed. Some other lemmy communities are leaning harder in to conspiracy ideas (planted evidence or whatever), but quite a few of the comments here are taking the time to analyze the info.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

We really just don’t know yet. And likely won’t know until the trial (if there even will be a trial).

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[–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

🤮

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Law Abiding Citizen 2 plotline. Honestly this event really remind me of that movie, all those killed is worthy of "ohh no...anyway"

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Back pain is a hell of a drug.

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[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 38 points 7 months ago

He was activated as a sleeper agent by the [redacted]

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans.

Based.

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[–] MrEff@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Two lines from the bottom they are missing:

Discovered DOTA2

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This implies the existence of two other CEO assassins working the Broadway and Wall Street lanes

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 17 points 7 months ago (8 children)

They really got him? Or is this just some ruse?

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Ted K. Based

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