It speaks to how powerless people feel here in America.
That's what it says.
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And we’ve been conditioned to accept violence in our everyday lives. Instead of putting aside our differences and making the government work for us to keep capitalism in check. One is just much more exiting.
making the government work for us to keep capitalism in check.
lol
All we elect are capitalists.
We need more candidates like Vermin Supreme, who clearly have no capitalist agendas.
No, we need more candidates like Sanders who actually give a shit about the common people.
If you don't want most of the world to celebrate your death, try to be less of an asshole.
Well, the bullets had the motive written on them in sharpie, so I don’t think there’s any chance this is a random murder, right?
Hypothetical: he picked his target at random. Researched. Finds out he was an insurance CEO. Devises this plan to throw investigators off the scent.
Then we've discovered the world's most inefficient try-hard serial killer. If you have the slightest modicum of common sense then when you realize that the "random" target you've picked is a mega-rich CEO then you just pick a different random target.
And it has no significance whatsoever with regards to the general public's reaction. At this point the true motives of the murderer are irrelevant, the general public has imagined him into a hero and that's the important part.
The ceo was an actual villain no matter the actual motive.
I don't think his intentions matter at this point. People have already made him a folk hero. He could say he shot him because he stepped on his shoe and there's a good chance people will still say, "Valid, fuck that guy."
That's not just hypothetical but downright false. The shooter made his motive very clear.
Just your average delay/deny/defend/depose killer
That doesn't mean it's the truth
I mean, is this just a wild hypothetical? Because it's really obvious that this isn't the case. Nothing about this murder was normal. He wasn't some professional killer because he was sloppy with cameras and the garbage in Starbucks. But he definitely plotted and planned to murder this guy. And then he purposely left evidence of his motive. The gun he used was rare, and he clearly trained with the weapon because of how quickly he was able to clear the jam he had and then kept firing.
Speculative discussion is pointing towards the smiling guy but bring the same person. Any conclusions to the methods of the shooter are still very fraught.
How about now? You think they just released some random person's photo still?
You mean how I used the word speculative?
Or how I said conclusions are fraught?
You didn't know any better than anyone else, and perhaps you forget the Boston bomber situation, but it's always good to slow down on plastering someone's face/identity on a crime till reports are concrete.
The police released that information because they were confident in it. It wasn't reddit.
And reports from authorities, at the time I commented that, were raising concerns that it may not have been the same person. My comment was one of caution, yours is of luck.
To be clear: I'm talking about a possibility, not a prediction.
We've nothing to go on but incomplete and likely incorrect public information. It would be foolish of me to entrench around speculation.
Good riddance to bad shit. Sometimes the right thing for the wrong reasons is right enough
It's still a warning sign that a large number people no longer feel peacefully working within the system can address societal issues.
That's what I've been wondering, we really don't even know what the motive was, but the one thing that kind of elevates this beyond him being a "basic murderer" is the carved words on the bullets. That seems to suggest some kind of motive above just him being a hitman or just killing some random person.
Regardless, I think most people are having the reaction they're having to this because of our ridiculous healthcare system, everyone recognizes it as a problem and alot of people have a loved one who has been wronged by it. Almost any other issue would've created a partisan split where Republicans took one position and Democrats took the other position. That a set of clear Left/Right narratives haven't emerged yet kind of suggests that alot of people aren't particularly bothered by it. Where this goes though is anyone's guess, maybe it's just a single unified moment that is quickly overshadowed by some other bullshit that comes along.
It says we don't care how wealthy people die. We just want them to be six feet under.
That we care too much about randos with lots of money earned from stealing sick people? 🙃
CEO murdered.... Yep, that's all we need.
The effect that Gun violence has against one man vs a plethora of school children.
the ceo is paid big because his decisions affect a lot of lives.
in this case, the killer can be any of these people the ceo has affected on some policy he let pass. the killer could even be just an enforcing arm of some one, or some group.
on one side, you can see this reaction as just part of his "job description". even doctors know toying with people's health have grave consequences.
Doesn't change much for me. Violence is a consequence of a broken system. Whatever the motive was, fixing the system is the solution either way.
Serendipity :)
it doesnt matter. It wouldnt matter if he killed him because he didnt like how he tied his shoelaces.
what matters is we have unifying event and if its allowed to be wasted then its all fucked. And i dont mean rallying people to start killing everyone but rallying people to stop being apathetic and demand change together.
The bullets had a very specific heath insurance mantra inscribed on them, "deny, defend, depose". Highly unlikely it was a random occurrence. I really believe the shooter was wronged somehow, but UHC. Maybe they denied a claim that lead to the death of a loved one, etc.
I go from it being a statement about the times to a mundane murder that warrants no coverage.
He had a sweet life until he didn't. Still don't feel bad. If that makes me a bad person, well, America doesn't care about that either clearly so guess it is what it is. Shrug emoji
What the hell is a "basic murderer"?
Don't extort people using their health?
meh. Ends justify the means. Destination, not how you get there.
It means society is in danger because lots of people think lots of other people deserve death.
The reaction to the death already demonstrates peoples' misplaced priorities, and it being a mundane murder (or inspired by, say, a highly disagreeable agenda) would just put, as they say, egg on their face.
The last time this happened, Batman was born.
The last time this happened, Batman was born.
That's so cool! Everybody loves superheroes, for that reason alone we should kill loads more billionaires.
Not what I said. It was a joke anyways, but I was implying that calamity affects people in ways that bite society later on.
Are people around these parts really so careless that they think murder for the sake of disagreement is justified?