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Mine is that the Disney+ shows should not have any impact on the movies, that they should just be on their own.

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[–] sgibson5150@slrpnk.net 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They made a pretty good comic-accurate show about a big green lady and a few million extremely online teen boys had their penises fall off. RIP.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I also enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie, and even the Marvels was pretty decent compared to the rest of marvel's recent crap. But they have female leads, so I guess they're tainted with original sin.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Most of the female heroes are extremely boring. Not because they're females, but because their writers suck.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Most of the male heroes are boring and poorly written. And yet people are more angry about the female heroes than the male ones. You can't pretend it's about quality at this point.

[–] maxalmonte14@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

For real, they haven't done anything interesting with Hulk in 15 years, the 2008/09 (I can't quite remember) movie was average at best, after that it's been a cameo fest because they cannot make new Hulk movies until they get the rights back, his best appearance was maybe in Thor Ragnarok, and yet nobody craps on Hulk.

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[–] darthsid@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It’s ok, they’ve learnt their lesson and won’t be tuning in for further projects.

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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

They are extremely boring with little to no real threat and tedious fights where you know who's going to win anyway

Character development? Probably the only actual thing that dies

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

With the first wave of movies I was really excited and enjoyed them immensely. Now the novelty has long since worn itself out. The cinematic universe plot is convoluted to a point of blandness. The multiple universe angle is stupid in comics and aggravating in cinema. The streaming series (across the board) instead of getting me interested in the movies has instead inoculated me against all of the Disney IP''s.

Not exactly Marvel related, but I'm an adult now. Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?

They're rare but are out there. I watched I Saw the TV Glow last weekend, really really nice film.

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[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only hot take for these types of surveys is: i don't hate them.

What ever the subject is doesn't matter. When you ask a group for input on their "hot take" devolves into a forum to shit on whatever the topic may be.

So my hot take is: I enjoy some of the movies while others I do not.

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[–] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

The actual hot take is that most of these movies are actually pretty good in the context of their correlation to source materials. As critically acclaimed movies: debatable; but as an adaptation? Unbelievably they tie a really neat rope around a hodge podge of different ideas and oddly make it work.

The truly hot take is that these movies serve there purpose well and do a great job being a vehicle for the story in the comics (sometimes)

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The MCU has run out of steam after they got away from the A list heroes. It's not that B- or C- list characters can't do well, it's just that it takes a talented writer/director to do it with a good movie, and Disney/Marvel just isn't capable of getting that consistently on their own, they're too safe & corporate. They're just trying to recreate what made the original MCU run successful, but we've already seen that. I don't know that there's necessarily "superhero fatigue", though trends in movies & pop culture come and go, that's inevitable, but for me it's more been "bad writing fatigue", I'm just sick of their lazy ass shit writing, it's insulting and I'm tired of being treated like that by the MCU.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

When the MCU started I don’t think people considered Iron Man, Captain America, Thor as A list. They were just the properties they weren’t able to sell off yet. Doing these movies was a big gamble. They needed to succeed so they put their best effort into them and it paid off.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's always been garbage. Not this multiverse or after im3 or whatever. The movies have always been trash.

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[–] HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago

They kinda ruined it with the multiverse. Everything feels without consequence. Death is meaningless and there are no stakes now

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm sure this is a hot take with how common I see the shit talking about multiverse being lazy.

The multiverse idea is dope.

It's only the way they have been using it that sucks.

Into the Spider-Verse did it right. The comics have done it right. Cartoon series from the 80's and 90's did it right. The current MCU era is using it wrong.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Overall? Meh.

I don't hate it, but they're not great either.

[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the MCU up until Age of Ultron. The movies are almost all from the same mold, just with different names and look and that was true even before the first Avengers film. But it was new back then. The newness has worn off and it's way past time the MCU evolves, or retires.

The exception are the Guardians of the Galaxy series. They are better made films that actually made me feel invested in the characters. The beginning of Guardians 3 is probably the best scene in the entire MCU.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Age of Ultron is where I started to check out too.

The last MCU movie I watched was Black Panther (the first). I enjoyed it well enough compared to the recent fair that I decided to go out on a high note.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Really? That awful CGI final act from black panther is so distractingly bad

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

By that point all the CGI was cringe AF, I can't watch giant battle scenes without my minds eye seeing all the actors pantomiming on a massive green screen set. Really, one or two impressive practical effects and I might have stuck around longer.

At least BP had a couple new plot elements and wasn't just the same movie with different beam colors. Not really new elements, but new for the MCU anyway.

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[–] darthsid@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I think the magic is gone - now the shows and movie lack the flair and excitement of the previous era. Now it feels like the we don’t need x, we have x at home meme.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Superhero movies are big budget police procedurals where the goal of the heroes is always to protect the status quo.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Disney did what Disney does and killed it. They always take these big IPs and then stack so much bureaucracy around them that nothing ever gets done without getting approved by a committee that is approved by another committee which kills the artists original intent and messaging. They know that they can’t get experienced and talented artists to create their content anymore because they aren’t malleable enough so they either have to shove 10’s of millions down their throat or hire some wanker off the street. Then the wanker they hire off the street is always like “I don’t read the comics, lul XD!” And they right some shitty girlboss Mary Sue movie that no one likes then call all the fans racist, sexist, homophobes. Who was Agatha all along for? Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?

Who do you think writes half the stuff on AO3? This audience actually exists, and is fairly sizeable.

If it's not for you, that's fine. But a Marvel universe intended only for teenage boy nerds is pretty dull and repetitive; the MCU didn't get that big by aiming solely for them.

And yeah, when you start gatekeeping, saying "those people don't exist" and "you don't belong here", maybe it is time to take a look at your prejudices.

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[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is there even a hot take you can have on Marvel besides "it's all very good" anymore? What you see is what you get, and I think we're all nauseous of the amount of content being shoved in our faces.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Most of these hot take threads do not in fact have many hot takes.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

lol it seems like my hot take is that I still like it. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

They pushed the stakes so high that when the fights are just everyone punching and kicking each other it's stupid and silly.

It always makes me think of the reenactment of the battle of Pearl Harbor.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uyORbG3I5Ys

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Meh. We have the Trump cinematic universe now, and it has scarier villains.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 6 points 8 months ago

That it's shit

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

It should end.

Wait ten years, form some sort of idea and come back to it.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Not very engaging and hard to care about the characters. They put so many characters and fight scenes that it's hard to care about a any of the even if they technically killed half of them.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Marvel was cool until i was around 12 or 13.

Later it was a little eeek.

Nowadays it's just plain sh*t.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 8 months ago

i think i have seen multiple of them, some even in theater, but the only one i remember is the first iron man one.

so my hot take is that they're... not very interesting.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 8 months ago

Reading this I feel lucky that I managed to avoid most of it

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They're consistent.

Which is not great when it comes to making compelling art (IMO), but it makes for a predictable experience with a known value which appeals to many people.

Not really my thing, but I'm glad people like it. Everything doesn't have to be for me.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Endgame is one of the worst movies of all time.

[–] classic@fedia.io 4 points 8 months ago

The first 30min or so were good. When everyone's depressed and before they launch their rescue mission

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Finally I see this opinion somewhere! Everyone was raging about how it was the best movie ever and I was just "meh" right after I walked out of the cinema.

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[–] redditistrash@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

They have good movies… for kids.

[–] Karmmah@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The Marvel universe is mainly there to create possibilities to make more money, not to tell a good story. Granted I have hardly seen any of the movies/series, but after Avengers I never saw a reason to. Marvel realised Avengers was good and now they pulled out as much stuff out of the universe to fill a seemingly endless stream of "storytelling".

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