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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 137 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Voting in elections is like breathing. The next one is always the most important one of your lifetime.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The last important one was in 1980. The people celebrated their own destruction as they counted the days when they would be the millionaires inflicting themselves on society.

Fucking suckers.

Big capital owns both parties now, the literal 5ish spoilers between both chambers that the neoliberals hate more than their opposition party can't do a thing in a sea of hundreds of well bribed, oh I'm sorry "donated," sycophants. There's no escape under the current framework.

Worse, we've used our massive hard and soft geopolitical power since then to make the rest of the world as exploitative, sociopathic, and greedy as us, and we've been wildly successful at it.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

Look up Jerry Falwell and his ‘Moral Majority.’

Falwell was a TV preacher who decided he wanted to get into politics. He had a simple formula to take over the GOP. The Party depends on small local clubs to do all the little things like getting petitions signed and driving folks to the polls on election day. Those clubs pick local office holders like sheriffs and county clerks.

Falwell told his people to show up at those clubs whenever there was a decision to be voted on. If there’d been twenty folks there for the last vote, Falwell’s ‘Moral Majority’ would show up with fifty. Pretty soon Jerry had a lot of local folks in his pocket. Those soon became Congressmembers and Governors.

AOC did it in one Congressional district.

If they owned the elections they wouldn't be trying so hard to stop people from voting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The last important one was in 1980.

I think millions of people are about to find that the last important one was a month ago now. Especially all the ones that are about to be put in concentration camps and the ones who care about those that are about to be put in concentration camps.

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[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Lol remember signing our supreme court justice approvals. Fucking silly us.

I'm just glad Obama rolled over and allowed Mitch McConnell to steal a seat. Because the decorum that preserved really helped this country.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 48 points 8 months ago

"When they go low, we go high." is a saying I'll remember for ever and teach others...

As an ominous warning to never, ever, EVER be an Honest Man in a lying contest.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (10 children)

It's funny (funny in the sense that I have an uncomfortable chance of not fucking surviving the next four years) that so many self-proclaimed leftists have a strategy that boils down to "Let the fascists win and then complain about it".

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Including a bunch here who have also seemingly deleted months worth of their comments as cover.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, they'll have fresh accounts with which to repeat the same points as before, just with an added dash of "I don't believe anyone ever ACTUALLY held those opinions you're criticizing (that I deleted on my previous account)"

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (54 children)

Funny that so many centrists have a strategy that boils down down to, "ignore leftists and then complain when they don't vote for us."

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And this is why repubs want to shut down the Dept. of Education. We already stopped teaching Civics/Government in schools a long time ago, which has led us to this current level of ignorance about how our government works and what powers the president does and doesn't have. For the last year(s) I've seen comments demanding Biden do this or that thing he has no authority to do (even thinking he can order other countries' leaders to do what he wants!). They think it means he just doesn't want those things to happen.

They think POTUS is supposed to be a king who just has to decree whatever he wants and it happens, no matter what the other 2 equal branches of government do. They want a king, dammit! So they voted for a king. They elected Trump who will throw out the Constitution and be a king for them. Enjoy having a king, suckers.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

There does seem to be a disparity between what biden can do and trump can do though doesnt there.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When government is functioning as it was designed, the checks and balances work, and a POTUS who does not respect the law would be checked, impeached, and/or removed. But when an entire party that is in power not only refuses to act as a check, but willingly does his bidding, then the law-breaking POTUS is effectively a king.

We have examples in the past, like Nixon, who was forced to resign under threat of impeachment by his own party. We have an example today, of the president of South Korea, cancelling his declaration of marital law under pressure from both the opposition and his own party.

The Constitution is an agreement, governing with the consent of the governed. Once the majority of those in power refuse to abide by the Constitution and rule of law, then it is no longer worth the paper it's written on and we no longer have a functioning democratic republic. That is where we are.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isnt biden ignoring popular will to back israel an example of democrats doing the same thing? Everyone's acting like democrats follow all the rules and republicans break them all.

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is, for sure, but that is a bit like arguing there is a disparity in what a good driver and bad driver can get away with.

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's just simple entropy. It's far easier to be destructive than it is to be constructive.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 33 points 8 months ago (6 children)

If there's one thing that's clear....

It's that people vote Republican because they legit don't know how politics works.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Voters allowed trump to stack it?!

Obama didn't fight for his pick because the party wanted to use it to motivate voters to vote for Hillary, which didn't work.

McTurtle refused to vote to confirm, and legally all that needs to happen is the Senate has an opportunity to vote to confirm. Obama had a year to say:

"I take no vote to mean no objections, Merrick Garland is on the SC"

Except Garland probably wouldn't be that much different than Trump's picks.

Stop blaming the voters for stupid shit the only option we have to vote for keeps doing.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The party refused to pressure Breyer & RBG to step down. Obama refused to play hardball with Garland.

Biden negotiated with himself and cut debt forgiveness to 10K. Then the SC strikes it down ~~, and he throws his hands up and walks away~~. I'm old enough to remember when Trump's obviously unconstitutional muslim ban got banned and he rewrote it and tried again until it stuck. It didn't fully take until the third try. Then he expanded it twice.

[Edit: I looked it up and he did give it another go, my b]

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 47 points 8 months ago

Biden didn't give up on debt forgiveness, he pushed 20 different forgiveness schemes instead of trying to get the original 1 scheme reapproved

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yep

It's because the same billionaires/corporations donate to both parties.

If a moderate wins, the most they'll do is "try" they were paid too much money to actually succeed, so they do the bare minimum till people stop complaining they didn't do anything.

And the donors know that means a republican will likely win the next election, which is their preference anyways.

The moderate wing of the party only exists to make sure the wealthy never lose and we never really win.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

and legally all that needs to happen is the Senate has an opportunity to vote to confirm. Obama had a year to say:

"I take no vote to mean no objections, Merrick Garland is on the SC"

From what I know (not much) this is a creative take on it. The Senate needs to confirm. If they don't confirm then the judge is not placed. I welcome expert legal scholars to weigh in but afaik what you said is wrong.

Obama could have temporarily placed the judge but that would have only lasted until the end of his term.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, who allowed Trump to pack the court? The Debt Collective?

[–] guy@piefed.social 33 points 8 months ago

The republicans I suppose. If I recall correctly they were against Obama appointing a judge before the end of his term for some reason while very supportive of Trump appointing judges before his term ended

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

Every single non-voter in the country willingly allowed the Republicans to fuck everyone over.

Edit: Going back decades, obviously. The latest election has nothing to do with the current SCOTUS. And sure, it's not the American non-voters' fault they're brain dead consumers with no will of their own. It's all very sad, blah blah blah.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Leaving out the part where Biden refused to even consider stacking the court and instead ordered a commission on Supreme Court reform. Then, after three years of silence, with only three months to go before the election, they came out with...term limits and a binding ethics code. Two milquetoast reforms they didn't even run on.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When democrats lose: "We could've had a utopia if you had simply voted for us!"

When democrats win: crickets

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (38 children)

When democrats lose: “We could’ve had a utopia if you had simply voted for us!”

"We could have averted fascism" is "utopia" now?

Funny, but considering that you repeatedly insisted that you didn't give a fuck how many Americans and Palestinians have to die to satisfy your urge for political purity in the run-up to the election, unsurprising.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When democrats win: ~~crickets~~ "We didn't win enough so I'm afraid our hands are tied."

[–] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Funny thing is they never win enough. Even when they win a majority, magically enough members switch sides to cancel any possibility of progress. It's like a rigged carnival game, but you think that if we simply adjusted our aim we could certainly get the ball in the hole. It's crafted to look like you have a chance when you really don't.

[–] jwt@programming.dev 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I always took crickets coming out of the political arena to be a positive. I want my politicians to shut the fuck up and govern, thank you very much.

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[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The most infuriating thing about that whole plot arc was that the people bringing the case to the Supreme Court had absolutely no standing to even file a complaint, and Biden’s actions were actually, through any logical reading of the law, completely within his authority, but they were like “lol no”

and Biden, a consummate Democrat, just was like “well that’s all we can do, corpo has spoken.”

I am still convinced Harris lost in most states because people were looking for Biden’s name on the ballot and couldn’t find Kamala so they just circled Trump.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Question for the Americans. The Supreme Court has ruled that presidents enjoy automatic immunity for anything they do as part of their official duties (e.g., arrest or kill people). Can he use this to forgive student loans? Like couldn't he just say "I almost fell down the stairs exiting Air Force One yesterday, and the only way I could save myself was by violently flailing my arms in search of the railing while also forgiving student loans"?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately, no. Immunity means that Biden could, theoretically, personally murder every judge who stopped student loan forgiveness, but not that he could give student loan forgiveness the force of law.

If you'll notice, this is extremely useful for crooked cunts like Trump, and borderline useless for every other variety of politician, including imaginationless narrowed-sighted milquetoast moderates like Biden.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"No no you don't understand. The Dems just need to want it more! They just need to fight for it more! Something something bully pulpit! Something sometime party whip!"

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