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[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I read it in High School. It sated any desire to read translations of bronze and iron age holy texts, so that was a benefit. As far as its being an enjoyable read, however...

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Looks like you tried to read it without a notebook. That's a rookie mistake.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 8 months ago

A pin board and a lot of red thread helps too.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

translations of bronze and iron age holy texts

Wait, what do you mean by that? I know Tolkien borrowed a lot from old texts like the Norse and Icelandic sagas, but I have read only the four popular Middle Earth books, and have dipped up to my ankles in Icelandic sagas, so that's as much as I can say for certain.

There's also Beowulf - of which I have read a version, a translation - and the myth of Arthur and Camelot, what I know is what I've seen in Excalibur, which is one of my all-time favorite movies, in my personal Top Twenty to be sure.

But Bronze Age and Iron Age? To put the history of Middle Earth in these terms is blowing my mind a little bit over here, as I have only recently understood the differences between these two surprisingly different eras.

Ancient was ancient and it was all one blurry smudge of names and land and years counted in negative numbers. Then I started to delve a little bit, particularly on YouTube, and it's like the past popped into 3D and in color, in my mind, to suddenly understand the difference between Sumerian and Akkadian, or between the Medic and the Punic wars.

And frankly, I find the Bronze Age to be much more fascinating and compelling, the first great spurt of civilization, suddenly finding itself with time for organized contemplation for the first time, as well as that most astonishing of inventions - writing, allowing the arts, engineering, infrastructure, sciences, etc. to flourish.

The old Greeks themselves codified this concept into their mythologies:
Kronos (Time) + Mnemosyne (Memory) = The Muses (the inspirations of man).
When that memory got transferred to clay tablets or papyrus scrolls, the curve of knowledge started going exponential, more knowledge in ever shorter cycles.

To now realize that there is a similar level of depth perspective in the Silmarillion, is making Middle Earth pop a bit in 3D and in color in my head.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The Silmarillion is definitely the "Bible" of Middle Earth, and its structure, content, and style all reflect that. I was mostly just cracking wise about the similarities.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 8 months ago

Silmarillion was never meant to be a book, Tolkien's son who compiled and organized it to create the work, which is why chronological reading is so difficult

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just finished listening to the audiobook, it's really good, I highly recommend it.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I wanted to do a reread, and settled on the audiobook. If you don't already know the stories, the audiobook is completely incomprehensible. The language is intentionally obtuse and the names all sound alike and you can't even browse back a bit or check the massive lists at the back.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So a good audiobook to fall asleep to?

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly yes. You kinda got to let it go and stop worrying about the specifics. All the places and people blend together. I was listening to it driving and Serkis's delivery is just beautiful, but I still had to turn it off because I was zoning out

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

I honestly seek out audiobooks to fall asleep to. I will have portions of songs on repeat in my head otherwise and it used to take me an hour to fall asleep. Now I can tell how long it took me to fall asleep because of how far in the book I need to rewind before I can remember something happening. Lately it's been tough to get through a book because I keep falling asleep within 5 minutes.

For long drives it's definitely necessary to have a book you can really get into. I loved the Stormlight Archives done by GraphicAudio because there was music and background noises and each character had a unique actor (or at least an actor playing with different accents). Helped a couple of 11 hours drives pass by.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Highly highly highly recommend the Andy Serkis reading.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

That might make it possible.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

As someone with severe ADHD, this is every book for me.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Now try Gravity’s Rainbow.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No one's read it. But a hell of a title.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Then as it turns out, a current tech challenge in astronomy concerning gravitational waves, is to parse them through a detector analogous to a prism, to break these waves up into component parts, not unlike a gravitational rainbow.

So it turns out to be not just a poetic flight of fancy, it may describe something that might actually exist. The Universe is always stranger and more wondrous that we can imagine at any given point in time.

[–] Atrichum@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I'm working through it right now and it has been a real slog. Although it's gotten easier around 1/3 of the way through.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Any Pynchon really. Or David Foster Wallace

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago

"A screaming comes across the sky..."

Oh yeah, this is gonna be good!

"bananas [...] bananas [...] bananas [...] bananas [...]"

WTF?

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

For those of you who don't have time to read it there is an audiobook version read by Andy Serkis that is pretty great. Is indeed epic.

[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does he read it in his gollum voice?

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

He does fun voices from time to time, I don't think gollum is one of them.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Seconding the Andy Serkis audiobook, it's fantastic.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 3 points 8 months ago

Read it along with “The Prancing Pony Podcast”, it makes a world of difference.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

I think it takes at least two reads. It was difficult the first time trying to keep track of everything in my head. I reckon its not worth feeling inferior about it and just give it a go. I recommend treating it like episodes.

Children of Hurin (the standalone book) is definitely worth a read once you have the context. The audiobook with Christopher Lee's narration is an excellent choice.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago
[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

It's better than the bible.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wizards and warriors did an 8 hour YouTube. It's better but I still only made it to the 3rd out before tapping out.

https://youtu.be/4WXre3N_UC0

[–] Atrichum@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've never understood how people can read the LotR trilogy and think the Silmarillian is hard going. It's a fun and quick read.

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

i suspect it's people that only watched the movies and were NOT prepared for Tolkien's KJVesque style

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It’s the only book I’ve enjoyed reading from Tolkien. He’s a good world builder and not a great writer.