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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (4 children)

They won't deport them. Being illegally working in the US will be punishable by 5 years forced labour in food farming.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Exactly, they want the labour even cheaper and without right. They want people who can't complain. They don't want to pay social taxes.

And like you said, cherry on the cake if they get free labour. Mmmmm those profit margins!

But we'll still raise the price because nobody wanna work

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

After seeing how horrific factory farming is, I'm genuinely wondering if I'd be psychologically better off with 5 years of prison. Or 5 years of war

I'm not even vegan, but what the fuck does that say about society? That the job that feeds you might require you to experience something so horrific, you'd prefer prison, maybe even war? ...

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's a bigger whip to keep the proles heads bent.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 56 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Sometimes libs don't realize their mask slipped. "They do the jobs we won't" is bougie shit. People will do anything that pays well enough, isn't abusive or unnecessarily dangerous, and doesn't involve being housed in a bunk on-site.

These migrant workers are being abused by capitalists, and arguably we aren't even seeing the savings anyway, for what that would be worth.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

Great point. People would take farming jobs if the pay was decent and all of those abusive "festures" you mentioned are missing.

Should change the phrase to "They do the jobs we would never do for such little pay and benefits."

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Sounds like we need to start punishing companies instead of desperate people. I'm sure Trump will get right on that

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Being aware of the reality of the situation doesn't mean you support it.

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

See, you're mistaken. You are asking irrational people to use logic.

Orange man great biznus man he will make Mexico pay tariffs and food will become cheaper. Also it will deport criminals (?) So I feel safe again.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

And if it all fails exactly how I was warned, it is someone else's fault, and I'm not stupid... Everything's simply a conspiracy against me!

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (9 children)

When i see this kind of posts, i tend to ask myself : does being on the left wing mean you're ok with illegal immigrate workforce being exploited in your fields and farms ? Just so you have cheap products AND go easy on your consciences ?

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 48 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Immigrants are good. Exploiting them is bad.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That sounds like all the more reason to be for legal immigration and against illegal immigration.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

All the more reason to be for legalizing immigration and against illegalizing immigration.

Focusing on the immigrants rather than the system puts the blame in the wrong place, and obfuscates solutions to the problem.

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The GOP won't pass legislation for more legal immigration. Our economy relies on immigrants, so it means that we are reliant on illegal immigration to function.

What I don't understand is why Republicans are against having a permanent legally exploitable underclass which is what we currently have.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You seem pretty confident that’s the end goal of the politicians.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Allowing so many illegal immigrants to do these jobs just goes against those who are working or wanting to work legally and allows those illegal immigrants to be abused to hell and back because of their status. If more workers are needed as in not enough local workers, sure I guess you could alleviate that with legal migration. But solving it with rampant illegal immigration is hell for everyone involved.

But I feel like much of the worker issue is solved with better work conditions and better pay. At some point that becomes untenable for sure but some sort of rethink might be warranted if an industry doesn't work without decent living conditions and without abusing illegal immigrants for pennies.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 11 months ago

only when it allows you to do cheap gotchas on the right /s

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

It is like that but it’s not always like that. Hispanic workers at a food factory a friend of mine worked would talk about hitting up blueberry picking season as a side gig in the summer.

Well we certainly can't be for open boarders. pauses for the gasps and pearl clutching

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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's because they will not deport all of them. They will deport a few 100.000 with a lot of noise.. and then not so much. Giving the farmers an even bigger boogie man to hold over these workers.. effectively creating a new slave class in the US.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I haven’t researched this myself, so someone quash or confirm this. He’s said hes going to hit urban centers in blue states “first” (maybe only). As such, this will largely leave his buddy Greg Abbott in Texas untouched, among other places.

It’ll be tactical and put on a show for headlines. People will suffer. Labor may be held indefinitely in prisons. But it won’t affect his friends.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Relying on illegal laborers for work sounds horrific as all hell for both sides tbqh

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[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tariffs on Canadian oil won't lower gas prices either.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

This needs more upvotes.

Enjoy your higher gas prices when he tariffs Canada.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=63564&os=0

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And imprisoning people in slave labor camps that happen to be next to farms is not "deporting".

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

If Trump voters could read, they'd be very upset by this.

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

4D Chess move: wanna stop immigration into your country? Make your country so shitty and unlivable that it's not worth visiting let alone moving to

[–] tibi@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

But at least we won't have gay liberal abortions, right?

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

trade war with mexico where 70% of US vegetables and 50% of US fruit will not help either. Nor will talking down to California, where most of the rest is from. I hope you red staters like corn and pork for every meal.

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[–] sith@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Neoliberalism shitposts like this one, is one reason why Trump won.

Pro tip: relying on imported cheap (illegal) labor for critical production isn't sustainable nor does it create a locally and globally stable society. Especially when the world has moved from uni-polar to multi-polar.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I agree very much with this. Price increases are always disproportional to cost increases, and when cost goes down price does not. Just convenient excuse to increase profits.

Reminds of corporations threatening to move out if USSA adopts labour law. To where? Europe with even more strict labour law?

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

That's what the rolling back of child labour laws are for.

[–] ____ 6 points 11 months ago

Particularly because citizens will not take those jobs.

At 20, a job was a job.

Me at 40+, physically incapable of doing that work - much less at the requisite speed.

Dammit, the one positive of suffering through summer temps is fresh produce.

Stop, stop, stop. We're going to find this stuff out. We're going to learn. It will be painful. It's certainly going to be painful to watch. I just don't want to spend another second begging the 5 year old not to touch the burner anymore.

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

A fifth seems really low.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

"Just trust Trump" says every Trump supporter that knows nothing of how the world works

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

When you vote to deport grandma but still take her presents on christmas.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Retaliatory tariffs strangling the ag industry's exports might for some items. For a harvest. Before the banks foreclose on the farms.

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