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and because i'm a lazy ass i didn't read the specs but just read the search engine result.

I also assumed that because 6 years ago i bought a $50 hp envy and it had wifi, this much expensive one is also going to have it

Result: that $250 printer doesn't actually have wifi

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 68 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Get a brother laser printer

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the rip off right there, 250$ for a printer and it's not a Brother? Fuck no.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I paid $45 for mine and it works flawlessly every time.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

I bought mine on clearance for $30 20 years ago and I've bought toner once since then. I've rarely been happier with a purchase.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

While this is perfect for documents and prints where picture quality doesn't matter, OP mentioned later that they bought it specifically for photos.

You can use laser for photos but it looks like shit, so inkjet was the right way to go here

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Only cheap laser looks like shit for images.

Also, using the right paper is crucial.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Paper is everything, yes. But you can't beat the image quality of inkjet when it comes to photos. Acceptable images, sure. But printing photos to sell or frame? No way.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I also took 30 minutes of reading the manual before realizing that, yes it doesn't appear in the wifi network list because it doesn't actually have wifi connectivity...

edit before someone calls me dumb "u even don't know how to read the manual": the user manual is shared with other 10 models and has sections like "how to share the scanner in the network"

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

the user manual is shared with other 10 models and has sections like "how to share the scanner in the network"

I was so ready to call you dumb, but this is the most annoying bullshit. Makes the manual virtually useless when it has specs for shit that you didn't buy. Needs to be illegal

[–] credo@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is also why you get search results that seem like this model has wifi.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago

Not that OP would know since they didn't actually go into the results for the search.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've never encountered a manual that didn't make it clear.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe after reading 30 pages of the manual it might make things clear. But IDK about you, but I don't want to read through the owners manual for 10 different printers before buying one.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

Well hopefully someone will come up with an AI soon to help you by summarizing the manual!

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Wow, it's surprising to me that some people will take the time to create a search and then not follow through to look at the results. No wonder we have AI summaries for everything now.

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[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Stated rather harshly, but accurate nonetheless.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're right, i came on a little strong. I've toned it down.

 

Original comment below for the sake of accountability.

SpoilerDeserved.

It seriously blows my mind that people don't actually open the search results. People like you are the reason there's a fucking AI summary for everything now.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 3 points 8 months ago

i was in a physical store and i saw this in clearance, didn't have time to do the usual spreadsheet where i compare 10 almost identical variants all with a similar price that vary by just one bit.

The same stuff is sold as G2170, G2270, G2470, G2570, G2770, G2870 and G2970, one add something but remove something.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I can't follow this logic. What I THINK you are saying:

"I searched for 'Canon G2570 wifi'. Since there are results, that means this particular printer has Wifi."

However, If I search for "canon g2570 aliens", I also get the same support page. Does that mean the printer was created by aliens?

Especially these days,you must actually read the links that appear in search engines. Their job is to take your search keywords and to find the most relevant document. From what I can see above, the indicated document WAS the most relevant to your search. For all you know, that bit about Wifi was for a blurb of a separate product linked from the indicated page.

If this is how you conduct internet research, I would urge you to actually read and confirm the documents you find in search engines.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Open up the world of wifi...

I would also have assumed this printer had wifi, but I also would have clicked the link to be sure before spending $250

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There's lots of reasons that that phrase could be in the document:

"Open up the world of Wifi by purchasing our optional Wifi Adapter (not found in base model)"

"Open up the world of WiFi with our new wireless printers (coming soon)"

Op's lazy approach of doing a search and not even bothering to read the documents that he found is the core of the approach. The "algorithm" didn't let him down. It found the most relevant document for his search.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If it isn't connected to the internet there a much lower chance of ink janga.

Get a USB cable and a device with WiFi. Install Linux and then setup cups as a print server

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

There's also much less chance that you can print easily from your pc

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I dunno, I've been.printing through a print server for decades. I find it far less problematic than wifi-connected printers (especially consumer ones).

Consumer wifi printers are a kludgey mess.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Server or not, it needs to connect to the network

And a raspberry pi will do a hell of a lot better job at doing that than the printer.

Our brother printer at work is otherwise a fairly great printer. But dear god does it have the WORLDS WORST wifi connectivity. I had to put it directly under an AP at work so it wouldn't try to connect to one on the other side of the office at 0.1Mbps and constantly dropping packets.

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

I set up a RPI 2 at my parent's house connected to a 15 year old printer and it works like magic. Basically any device can detect and use the printer using Samba as long as it's on the network. No drivers or anything.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

It should work a lot better

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I have to disagree. I support a Multi-Site org where all windows printing goes through cups servers first, we've never had a problem connecting any printer. If anything, it makes it easier for us to replace printers as we can keep the same print queue and send it to the physical replacement printer without the windows devices needing to do anything.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

So one thing I tend to do when researching a product is search for “<model_name> specs” or “specifications”. I usually try to see if they have a marketing slick or one pager of what the item has to find it out. If worse comes to worse I’ll browse the user manual, if something is ambiguous but majority of the times that search will help me find what I need.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The MG3620 is like $70 and has wifi. Accepts refilled cartridges too and will print without whining, regardless of what color ink is out. It does everything I need a printer/scanner combo to do without any extra BS. Even mobile printing is a straightforward, app-free process.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Setup a Raspberry Pi W Zero as your print server, using CUPS.

Last one I bought was under $10.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's also possible that the circuitry is there, but not activated in this model.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

considering that clicking on "status page" in the printer driver opens http://localhost:58510/index.html in the browser and Windows sees it as "Canon G2070 series HTTP", I wonder if they took the lazy path and the USB is used as a simple network adapter...

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

No, it means the printer driver is running a web server to host the status page. Localhost is literally your computer.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Ewww ink jet.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I really despise search results like this.

They're designed to get you to click the link, not to give you accurate information.

[–] Saltarello@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I've found Canon printers to be generally good overall but this is BS. If its any consolation I have a Canon printer with WiFi. Win 10 is so shit the scanner literally never scans over WiFi & ive given in using the printer over WiFi for anything & just use it via a cable

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Honestly why buy a printer? Consumer grade sucks and printing is typically .10 a page

[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
  1. if I didn't have a printer I would need a standalone scanner, which costs almost the same amount

  2. Driving to Staples to print a $0.10 page wastes $50 worth of time and gas

A cheap printer pays for itself very quickly.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I guess it depends where your printers are.The library is a mile from me and cost .1. My work also has free printing.

I don’t think it’s worth it in how quickly ink dried out. Those higher tier ones that print thousands per cartridge are worth it but expensive.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've bought two laser printers, both for about $50.

My 1997 laser just died this summer. That's 27 years of runtime. Even if it was $500, that's $18/year, with thousands of pages printed, and I think I replaced the toner once.

Glad you have a printer nearby. I do to, but it would take me an hour to print one page, because I'd have to copy it to a thumb drive, then go to the print shop (15 min, using fossil fuels to get there), then deal with printing and hope it prints right, then shuffle back home.

I mean, yea, that's a fabulous approach. Do that 50 times and I've paid for my printer.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

That sounds 100% worth it. I would also pay $500 if I knew which could last so long. I'm talking the inkjet garbage that doesn't last and ink is more expensive than the machine.

[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

The library is a mile from me too, that's a 30 minute round trip, or I have to drive and pay for parking

I bought a $60 inkjet 10+ years ago. Every 3-4 years I buy a multipack of aftermarket ink for $30. Every 18 months when the cartridge dries up half full in my printer I chuck it knowing the $5 of ink I just wasted saved me $400 in billable hours

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I specifically bought this to print photos, ink is not ridiculously expensive like other models, is like $150 per liter, which is still high considering that's colored water, but not the usual $5000 per liter.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Oh okay, idk about printing photos!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What everybody else said, plus availability.

If I need to leave for an emergency trip at 5:00 in the morning, and I wouldn't print stuff out for immigration before then... I basically need to have a printer at home. To be always available

People are coming over for game night, I'll just print out a bunch of character sheets... I didn't have a printer I'd have to plan ahead.

Availability, provides optionality, provides convenience. Making life easier.

But, I'll concede, when I had available access to 24/7 printers I didn't buy my own. Only when I lost that access did I buy my own printer