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Footage of Hamas torture of Palestinians released (www.i24news.tv)

submitted 10 months ago by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/world@quokk.au

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The footage, which spans thousands of hours, was reportedly obtained from surveillance cameras installed between 2018 and 2020

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nothing makes genocide okay, full stop.

We know Hamas sucks, the problem is that 70% of Israel's victims are women and children, not hamas.

The problem is that Israel funded Hamas and encourages them.

The problem is that Israel is an apartheid state that fosters terror groups to keep control.

But what really makes this a hypocritical farce is the fact that Israel not only tortures it's prisoners as well, but rapes them too.

[+] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Israel funded Hamas" is one of the most wrong-headed lies that is frequently repeated here.

If you actually look into the specific accusations of what Israel did to "fund Hamas," there are things that, before October 7th, humanitarians were calling on Israel to do.

What did they do? They allowed funds raised for Gaza outside of the region to enter the strip where they could be put to use by the ruling party of Gaza (Hamas). They allowed humanitarian shipments containing things like pipes into Gaza, where Hamas weaponized them into missile casings. The issued work visas for more Gazans to enter Israel and earn a living, which Hamas used for reconnaissance. They forcibly shut down all Israeli settlements in Gaza, and withdrew any Israeli troops. Hamas took advantage of the power vacuum.

When challenged on these backwards claims, pro Hamas reply guys will pull out a single 20-year old quote from someone without any policymaking authority. Or they'll claim that the method used for the Gaza fundraising money to enter Gaza somehow proves the point.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Official Israeli policy was to prop up Hamas as opposed to the Palestinian Authority to delegitimize the Palestinians in the international community. It's much easier to deny statehood to a population when they're being led by an organization that is labelled as terrorists. This isn't some 20 year old quote. But a long standing policy from the top officials in the Israeli government.

[+] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This article quotes a number of opinions of prominent commentators, but they've strangely failed to reference the law, directive, or "official policy" as you put it. It could be a careless oversight, or it could be that no such policy exists.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You clearly didn't bother reading the article.

Yuval Diskin, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth in 2013 that "if we look at it over the years, one of the main people contributing to Hamas's strengthening has been Bibi Netanyahu, since his first term as prime minister."

In August 2019, former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu's "strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking … even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] … in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."

The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that "it's easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to."

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You clearly don't understand the difference between a political opinion and official policy.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Buddy you just spent the morning posting a bunch of unsubstantiated claims by the IDF. Now when you have a commentary on how Israel is behaving by ex-senior members of the Israeli government, including a prime minister, you express doubt? Really?

Would you believe it if it comes straight out of the mouth of Netanyahu himself?

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll believe it is "official policy" as soon as you cite an official policy. This is not complicated.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

The current prime minister is not official enough for you? And unsubstantiated claims by the IDF is?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So the IDF claims there is video evidence but does not actually provide the video?

It's pretty hard to be trusting of them given how many lies they knowingly spread.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where did you find these from?

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Their paymasters probably