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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Could be their total intolerance for opposing views, don't see that on Reddit but it's rampant on Lemmy.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The higher-score comments there don't seem to be particularly hostile to Lemmy. They talk about legitimate concerns like whether Lemmy as it exists now could deal with a Reddit-size volume of data, The top comment at this time speaks favorably of !selfhosted@lemmy.world.

Of course people who are still using Reddit are more likely to view Reddit as favorable or acceptable and alternatives as problematic, or not quite there yet. I'm actively Fediverse-first in my use of social media, but I still end up on Reddit quite a bit for niche interests because that's where the most people are.

its a chicken and egg thing. the fediverse cant scale if we arent pressured to fix scaling issues. we need users to highlight the pain points so we can fix things that allow those users.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Us vs them too. It's different, people hate change. So now there is a them and an us..

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago
  1. the post already said why:

I would love to move away from reddit but it's hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.

  1. further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and (c) guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:

How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for "selfhosted" I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?

Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):

I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it's called "selfhosted". You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn't show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.

Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.

Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.

  1. And I haven't even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.

I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.

No - apparently not, it's only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come... and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly, in my experience since I fully moved to Lemmy:

Almost any subreddit is more mature than any Lemmy channel.
This isn't just number of users (but that's a huge problem that has been mentioned here a lot), it means that the chance you'll run into a mod who is a tinpot despot is pretty high, and there is nothing you can do about it if you're not willing to sit alone in a ~~ghost town~~ alternate community.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Anyone still left on Reddit is either too ignorant about the alternatives to Reddit to even have an opinion or is actively trying to keep people on Reddit for Reddit.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I left reddit after a cyberbully situation because I defended a nonbinary person in a post in the sega dreamcast subreddit.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

We aren't Russian bots?

[–] PoseidonsWake@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

For the same reason Youtube is doing with Odysee and Peertube - money - walled garden.

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was just thinking about this because I've been going through and blocking every political community. I've found that when that is gone, there's really not that much left aside from random technology focused stuff, some memes, asinine twitter screenshots, and a fuck ton of linux stuff. And the comments sections of seemingly unrelated posts often devolve into political shit slinging. I'm on an instance that blocks lemmygrad and hexbear so I can imagine it's far worse for the ones that don't. I'm starting to sour on lemmy too because there's basically nothing here of interest to me anymore.

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[–] Auster@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can conjecture some things, though I can't be 100% sure on either:

First, maybe it's fanatics/fanboys that don't like competition making their platform less relevant. Second, it's paid actors complaining. Third, it's robot accounts making posts. Fourth, as proposed in the OP, people are getting the wrong impression due to noisy and problematic bubbles. Fifth, people being scared of leaving their comfort zone. Sixth, a mix of either some or all the previous possibilities.

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[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The biggest point is tankies and the toxic "left" people here and that Lemmy has some major problems regarding stability and the ability to effectively moderate.

Another point is that Lemmy has in may places worse moderation than reddit.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah there are clearly some toxic people who won’t tolerate anything different than them. They can be leftists or rightists who are gonna hate you for whatever reason.

I didn’t have this feeling on reddit to be honest.

And it’s a shame because I’m censoring myself because of this on some subject where I could bring another point of view.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The people you are probably referring to exist on like, two instances. Everybody always ends up on the ".ml" ones for their first experience and is immediately horrified by the hardcore tankie content. That's because those specific instances are run by actual Marxist-Leninists.

Well it happened to me mostly in technology communities where my job as a police man in a country without too much corruption was giving me a different point of view than people who were seeing a corrupt government spying on them all the time.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen a single "right" person on Lemmy, except when you count the Stalinists as right (wich they kinda are)

And I hate that there are so many of them.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah to be honest it’s true that I’ve only seen lefties. I’m sometimes on the left side and sometimes on the right side, but it’s crazy how you can’t really express an opinion without being insulted or other things..

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago

You can't say anything without people hating on you. I'm a actual social Democrat and therefore the worst enemy of tankies and Stalinists.

I don't care what they say about me, I care when they are in charge of anything and ban people for other opinions, wich happens a lot.

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Grumpy young boomers

Get off my internet!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What do you expect from a bunch of lazy T_D chuds, bots, and n00bz

Ha haaaa! Right? Up top!

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