politics

every american president is a war criminal and should be dug up and tried posthumously for their crimes against humanity

Give me five minutes alone with Trump and a serrated butter knife

As a European (but not the cringe zone), I unironically support the dang cheeto in his noble pursuit of destroying Amerikkka

he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he's not the guy we need, he's the presinald the US deserves.

for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).

Some Hexbears have a "both GOP and Democrats are horrible and serve the same ruling class, but I want the funnier clown" take.

While I agree that both US political parties with power serve the same masters, I don't do the "for the lulz" support thing. I think the clown is funnier somewhere else.

I scrolled down decently far, and I'm not sure I'm contributing much, but whatever. I should mention that I consider myself a centrist.

My feelings on it are basically: what does support mean here? I see people complain that we support China and Russia, and I'm not sure how people here meaningfully support them. This is a kind of liberalism in the confusion of being a good opinion haver is a form of praxis and I think it's the result of a too online leftism.

I think what really matters is not some ideological bent over who is "supported", which I guess is posted about online, but what are we doing to advance a political project that advocates for world free from oppression. We could haggle over being in the US with our lawns on Indian burial grounds, and what our place in this world is and I'm amenable to that.

My comrades are the people I know that are advancing that project, I don't care if they think it's epic and yolo that trump had hamberders at the white house or if they think he should be publicly executed, or somewhere in between.

No, absolutely not.

Occasionally I've seen someone (there might even be some in this thread) get some stupid 5th dimensional chess idea about how Trump is going to accidentally create the conditions for communism somehow (I saw this for Biden too once). It's the sort of weird nonsense Americans come up with after realizing that our political situation is FUBAR, but they don't want to give in to doomerism and they can't concieve of anything beyond voting every 4 years. It's incredibly stupid and tbh deserves to be bullied more.

Broadly speaking, the main difference between Trump and other presidents is that he says the quiet parts out loud. He is very openly and explicitly bad, compared to the others that put on nice pretenses while enacting essentially the same policies. We often focus more on exposing these "fake friends" because sometimes well-meaning people get fooled by their lies, whereas nobody well-meaning likes Trump. It's just less interesting to talk about stuff where we're all pretty much on the same page.

Definitely not. He's an odious fascist, or he would be a fascist if he had any sort of ideological commitment to anything other than drawing attention to himself. The fact that he was elected at all is a monumental condemnation of the USA. He just has the soul of a problematic Florida drag queen in there, which makes him a tremendous poster.

The only person here I can think of who ever unironically supported trump was haz and we banned him for… well on account of how he is

there's no way this is a good faith question, but here goes anyway. maybe I'm unqualified to answer this as I'm a quadferret working on my pentacoyote and it'll be years before I'm an honest to god hexbear, but I think that at the root of the Trump banter is a frustration at people's failure to recognize that the American system is gonna keep shitting out new Trumps until we either change the fundamental assumptions american society is built on or the latest Trump actually succeeds in ending democracy.

No I do not support Trump but I do hope he wins. The entirety of the American political establishment is our enemy. Would you rather your enemy be lead by a bumbling loudmouth or a duplicitous conniving ghoul with half a century of practice?

This will echo what others have said: I think Trump was a horrible president, and him being of the capitalist class means I oppose him in a political economy sense. However, the stuff that he did that was bad was bog standard Republican shit: any other Republican would have also cut taxes, deregulated industry, and installed far right whack job judges. And I also think Democrats have done horrible shit; better/worse comparisons are mostly useless as they brush over specifics.

However, I do think he’s fascinating, both in that he may be the perfect reflection of the American political body, and because he highlights fundamental contradictions in nominal American liberal and conservative politics that causes both his detractors and supporters to be extremely neurotic about him. He represents what liberals profess to be the ideal (coastal, urban, private school educated, Ivy League grad, made his money in NYC real estate; shit, any big money Dem donor clicks at least three of those boxes), and what conservatives profess to hate (urban, non-religious, elitist, arrogance), yet the former hate him and the latter love him.

For liberals, it’s that he exposes the lie that elite education credentials stewed in urban culture must always produce socially progressive and competent technocrats, which is why they steadfastly insist he’s some Manchurian Candidate Russian plant because they need to see him as an abnormality and not reflective of the gross underbelly of the meritocracy. For conservatives, he exposes that for all their rhetoric they really love the idea of elites and hierarchy and being lessers to the titans of industry and the state. They just don’t want those titans to be brown, Jewish, or female. So they need to built a weird, cultish mythology around him as an ubermensch, anti-elite elite as to keep up the illusion of them being against hierarchy. All this neurosis is both highly illuminating, and really fucking funny.

Imagine Trump and liberals as an episode of Scooby Doo.

Trump is the villain and its the liberals who are the "gang".

Only, Trump walks out of the haunted house, mask off laughing and pointing and shouting, "What? You think you can do ANYTHING to stop me?"

And the only thing the "gang" can do is stand in frozen awkward silence because Trump isn't playing his part right and they can't do anything more than what they've always rehearsed.

Nobody here seriously likes or supports Trump as a person but he gets to be the one that constantly shows the world just how much of a sham the USofA actually is. And its glorious.

I think I speak for all of Hexbear when i say we are all HUGE golfers. When we aren’t talking about trans rights, veganism, our hate for single passenger cars, the horrors of imperialism, or instituting revolutionary socialism across the globe, we are usually talking about golf!

I'm not US, I don't support any US president, and the only candidate I would sincerely (rather than tactically) support is Vermin Supreme.

and I mean that sincerely, Vermin is well-read and principled despite their culture jamming.

I understand that the US national voting system is fundamentally broken (FPTP) so I can understand someone tactically voting for the Democrat Party simply to avoid a Republican Party candidate. But this shouldn't be mistaken for support nor approval.

Serious answer: fuck no. As a trans woman, having Republicans in office is extremely scary (not a pro Democrat post at all)

I only support Trump in the sense that his wildly illegal actions drive the US Empire into the ground and expose how fucking corrupt and stupid our political system is.

If Hillary was elected, the whole Epstein thing would never have been a media sensation. The only reason it got so big is because dumbfuck Donald doesn't have the political acumen to avoid shit like this. The more Donald Trump is in power, the more the seams that form this corrupt system start to unravel. I don't think he's significantly worse than Biden and Roe V Wade being overturned is proof. Biden is leading us into increasing escalations with China and Russia, continuing the covid deathcult, and presiding over an increasingly shit economic system while doing fuck all to stop it.

Looking forwards to the day he dies gargling on his own lung fluids.

Also looking forwards to the day every other war-criminal-president of america gargles on their own lung fluids, which is all of them.

The ones that are already dead should be exhumed and tossed into the ocean.

EDIT: May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it's relevant.

If celebrating their deaths is too much for you then you'd hate to know that about 35% of the UK throws literal street parties every year celebrating Thatcher's slow painful death. Problem with that? Too bad. Too bad.

You liberal civility wankers have no idea what a real left looks like, and all of you would be tory shits if you lived here.

He’s an accurate reflection of the sick pageantry that american politics has been. It’s funny. The same way a horrendous car accident we’ve been telling you was potentially possible is. We’re powerless to stop anything, no one listened when we warned everyone. All we can do is just laugh.

Why do you think became such a thing?

is the fly in the soup of

he kinda accidentally and effortlessly pulls back the curtain on the shit show - the 'concentration camps' on the border become 'processing centers' as soon as is in office - even though nothing materially changes

and the :LIB:s just focus on the new shiny BS that comes along in his wake, the media loves to cover him as it accelerates the diminishing attention span to any material reality

Look at what Trump did today! Get very angry about dumb orange man! Don't pay attention to how the entire hierarchy of US society created him and leverages him to maintain the status quo. Biden needs your :vote: to fix things. Don't recall that Ds had every chance to codify Roe but didn't (because that would end the 'will they/won't they' saga of abortion rights that is so lucrative for Ds).

Throughly about this since around 2016. And they keep saying 'bernie bros did this' louder and louder.

Every American president is a war criminal. Trump is no exception, he just happens to be an open asshole about it. It's funny watching Libs get butthurt because instead of just bombing poor brown countries, he also insults them at the same time. Every single US president is going to hell if it exists.