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1. Nah he should be executed.

2. He highlights how monstrous the US has always been, and liberals can't stand that so they pretend he is an abberation while communists recognise presidents have always been this way.

3. He do be funny though.

I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he's a great comedic subject.

Vote Trump to make America great again.

Vote Trump to destroy the American Empire.

Trump is useful in the sense that he highlights a lot of things leftist thought about the Presidency but libs are too propagandized to see. There has never been a good, smart, well-mannered President who genuinely wants to lead to help everyone. They were all Trump. They were all corrupt, egotistical, murderous, self-interested, and dangerous. To the most marginalized of society, they were all Trump. Now the people who never had to look at it that way has to and they're upset. It's good that they're upset.

All US presidents are bad. Even Lincoln, even FDR, even Kennedy.

No, but the guy is funny sometimes, so we have various emotes and stuff that reference famous lines or bits from him. The perception that some lemmy users have of this place being genuinely "pro-Trump" is really confusing to me -- it's no more "pro-Trump" than an SNL bit mocking him, although hopefully more funny (as in, funny at all -- thank god for the writer's strike sparing us from more SNL).

Yes, as a non-American I unironically support Trump over Biden because he is the best chance at the US collapsing and his incompetence keeps the worst of US imperialism at bay.

As a general rule for this community: If you're a baby leftist or left leaning lib and if you can't tell if something is ironic then it's probably ironic. If you're a right winger your brain is way too broken to get anything out of this community and also furthermore go fuck yourself.

Trump's greatest sin for liberals isn't racism or disdain for Democracy, Bush has him beat by a long shot on both counts, his greatest sin for them is a lack of manners. We laugh at Trump because he is a visible and omnipresent symbol of sociopolitical decline, and also because he is a completely hilarious creature. Maybe the most pro-Trump position on here is an ambient desire for a hard left pro-labor candidate to embody some of his mannerisms and mock the DNC Managerial Class into submission like Trump did with the Republicans, but nobody actually likes any of his policies or ideas.

Short answer: Absolutely not dont be so fucking stupid

Long answer: Still absolutely not and if a lib knows so little about socialism, intersectionality, minority struggle, social justice that they think leftists would be voting trump (or any Liberal politician) then they need to log off and start genuinely educating themselves because that's levels of stupidity that would make a grade schooler cringe.

Libs and the people regurgitating whatever the news tells them on the fediverse LITERALLY don't engage with reality outside of what they are taught to believe by MSM.

There's a lot of irony in here and trump is funny because he shows American politics for what the left have said it was for decades; a corrupt, failing, nepotism ran cabal BY BEING that exact thing and failing so hard he shows everyone like Pelosi, AOC, Biden etc to be just as corrupt and manipulative (admittedly more subtle) as Trump.

Examples include AOC turning her back on her values and defending Israeli genocide of Palestine, Biden and his many corruption scandals, Pelosi insider trading and weaponising gay marriage rights to manipulate the gay vote.

Another difference is libs think these are all one of mistakes or one off people and not like a direct and systemic problem with out current system. Like ALL of the Democrats and all of the GOP engage in the same corruption and cronyism to benefit themselves and the system that allows them to live like royalty while the working class starve. Like the pigs it's not a case of one bad apple, the entire orchard is rotten.

So yeah we hate trump, but we ironically enjoy him because he accidentally shows the American political system for the corrupt vile state apparatus it is by perfectly weaponising it to benefit his wacky stupid bs.

Final thought, if the American system is such a fail that a meandering idiot like trump can weaponise its failings to protect himself from literally pedophilia and treason, then just think what the rest of them hide or get away with.

As I listed above they've all had career ending (in a normal world) controversies and the machine has worked its magic to let them keep making decisions that benefit exclusively the rich in turn benefitting the status quo and system.

I support trump but only because i hate America

Of course not. I just dont fall into the illusion that he is any different or better than Biden (or vice versa), because they both serve the same ruling class interests and American Imperialism. I'm also not afraid to laugh at Trump and I find him unintentionally hilarious, which a lot of libs confuse that with me actually liking him.

unironically

what does that even mean? Irony fascism lol

Those actually wondering this are less serious in their disdain for Trump than anyone here. The lemmy libs are so deeply in bed with him and what he represents on every level that they need performative assurances.

No, I've never supported a US president and never will. First, I'm a communist and a proletarian internationalist. Second, I'm a Luxemburgist and don't support the (inherent, it can sometimes be a useful tool for de-colonial struggle) right of self-determination of nations, so fuck all capitalist states. Thirdly, they've soft-couped my country at least twice.

Trump sucks more than Biden, undoubtedly, he's a nasty shithead and his handlers and handers on are open fascists. They all deserve the wall.

Biden's handlers on the other hand, would regretfully, sadly, slowly, implement fascism to "keep stability and protect the economy for ordinary Americans". They all deserve the Gulag.

I think everyone has cleared up that we don't actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.

Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the "good republicans" will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.

When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there's two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.

To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can't be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!" And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.

If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn't matter if they are civil, or have "merit" (whatever that means), or if they're the first black president. They're the figurehead of global system of exploitation.

For me personally, i hadn't become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.

I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).

And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we've witnessed into our understanding of the world.

That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that

The reason people here are making fun of Trump is because he is the perfect representation of America.

Not one who likes to pretend who or what he is for, Trump embodies the true America in its brutal honesty, stripped of all its veneer.

This is why liberals hate him so much, because they can no longer hide behind the facade of the America they have constructed themselves. Trump forces them to confront the brutal reality that is America every single day when he was President.

Lmao what dumbass would think communists support a right wing capitalist like Trump?

Here's a tip, not liking one corrupt capitalist doesn't mean we support the other corrupt capitalist.

I will personally ban anyone who unironically supports Trump. Supporting hardcore reactionaries is reactionary behavior and not allowed.

But, I think we enjoy, in a sort of dark humor way, the ways that he spotlights the contradictions and flaws in our system. There's also an almost incredulous hilarity to the things he is coincidentally right about sometimes, like making American foreign policy less hawkish.

Do I, a communist, support a billionaire? Shockingly the answer is no, at least unless resting his neck on the block of a guillotine counts as support

Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don't. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.

At best he's a funny symbol because he's a ridiculous over the top cartoon character. Some of the stuff he says and does is genuinely hilarious.

I have to laugh because I am a trans person. I live in terror for myself and my friends. I have learned to laugh at trump, because I was angry for years and I don't want to give myself an aneurysm.

He's the face of late stage capitalism. I do not support him and I avoid people who do.

We're communists and anarchists. So no. But he don't hand wring over it, he's a shitty president in a long long long line of shitty presidents, he just talked like a reality TV star instead of a politician and said the quiet parts loud. As far as any action goes, he's par for the course and far from the worst president of my life time. I was around for both Bushes and as someone that ranks the amount of blood on your hands much heavier than I do civility, Trump doesn't really come off any worse than any previous president.

The thing about leftist opposition to Trump that seems to confuse liberals is not that we think Trump is awful (everyone here does), but that we think there isn't as much daylight between him and people that liberals actually like (say, Obama) on the awful<->not awful continuum that liberals want us to believe. The crass, blatant incivility isn't what we have an issue with (and the fact that it's what seems to bother liberals the most is something we frequently poke fun at), it's the widespread murder and immiseration of innocent people. Consequences, not intentions; substance, not tone.

You should be questioning the liberals in power that know he's a fascist that tried to overthrow the government but have not killed him. Not hexbear.

i used to believe that trump sucked a lot more than biden; but then trumps actions lead to me being employed when no one else would give me the time of day; now trump sucks just a teeny tiny bit more than biden under the right lighting and conditions. trump followers, however, are worse any most anything else.

We support Comrade Nation Builder in his destruction of America's legitimacy and hegemony.

In all seriousness Trump is awful but entertaining. Mostly because as bad as he is, he isn't really worse than the rest of US presidents in the grand scheme of things. He's taken the mask off of America's destructive nature.

He's funny but I hope he dies tbh