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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some people are always looking for a free ride. Amassing power/influence/status/assets is usually a way to do that - basically get others to do the hard work and take 5/10/50% of the credit. This appllies under all systems due, most probably, to the natural diversity of humans.

The job of the "system" (legal, political, economic, even cultural and religious) is to mitigate excesses and especially abuses of power before it comes to extremes of bloodshed; but as those also sometimes concentrate power, they themselves need something to regulate the systemic abuses or the non-sytemic abuses of empowered officials.

Humans are the problem, some of them. But greed is also motivational (and sloth), so you can't get rid of it entirely.

If you can keep your society smal enough that basically everyone knows what most other people are up to, it doesn't take much regulation, beyond trust and reputation. But as if your society grows to where some people are effectively faceless and unknown, then it becomes more problematic.

Everyone's strongest argument seems to be, you'll never have a perfect system. To me, this only shows they don't understand any system and don't appreciate their purpose.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago
[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago
[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Meritocracy was always a myth spread to allow capital to operate freely. If you failed then it was your fault, nevermind that the deck was stacked heavily against you.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I guess look around the world and see what's working? Unfettered capitalism wouldn't work, and cronyism isn't unique to capitalism.

Unfettered meritocracy doesn't work either. Say I'm born smart and ambitious and become a captain of industry. Why do I "deserve" to make 100x or 10000x more than someone who is working hard but not smart or ambitious, or someone who is wildly creative in a not monetizatable way? And how do you even ensure all kids get the same starting line to actually have a meritocracy, if you are enforcing capitalism? 100% inheritance tax maybe, and the money allocated out to everyone?

Maybe all these systems are ideas - capitalism, socialism, fascism, meritocracy, and none could be achieved in real life, because we aren't living in a controlled test environment.

On your specific question, I think cronyism and inheritance are problems that transcend capitalism, but if you could somehow magically disappear them, meritocracy would reveal its faults, there isn't a perfect system. All we can do is try to think about what we want to achieve (environmental restoration, a healthy population, a vibrant marketplace that serves everyone not just a few) and try to incrementally get there.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I want to respond but would ask if you would humor me in my line of questioning. If not, no worries.

Why should we assume that without the influence of nepotism that capitalism will continue on the same path of corporate greed?

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