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(The site is already down, and my instance wasn't subscribed, so I can't properly link, hopefully the bot will help).

Link from LW: https://lemmy.world/post/3979585

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We need much better moderation tools. List of uploaded content, list of cached content, option to purge cached content.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hopefully a push towards forcing the lemmy devs hands on that end will come from this.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins 2 points 2 years ago

Seems like this kind of insight tool could be created by the community separately.

[–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Absolutely this. There are issues with deletes not federating properly too, right?

That's a big part of the issue here too since even when .world cleans up the content it's already been pushed out to every other instance and will now remain there until all THOSE admins also purge it.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fascist shutdown of public discourse, step by step:

  1. Find out where public discourse is.
  2. Post child porn on an obscure corner of it.
  3. Take screenshots of the posted porn.
  4. Send law enforcement to seize all the things.
[–] gabe@literature.cafe 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

They are a dumbass if they do this cause they will get prosecuted themselves for posting that. There's a safe harbor provision for server admins so long as they make a good faith effort to report when it is brought to their attention (at least in the US). So long as you are doing your due diligence as a web host, you should be fine.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm talking about when the government wants an excuse for shutting down public discourse. Obviously it isn't going to prosecute itself.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They have much less roundabout ways of shutting things down if they really want to.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

imo it’s more likely that some agitator dickweed would do that than a government. Both are conceivable, though.

[–] Sorchist@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah yes, it was all a false flag, instigated by the government to take away our freedoms, I get it

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Also screenshots of csam would count as csam right

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

IANAL, but you are still responsible for it if you host it on a cloud server, the difference is mainly that the authorities will complain first with your cloud host, which will likely take down the entire site, instead of with you directly who can swiftly remove the offending material if asked to do so.

It is FUD to say the police will SWAT you if someone reports CSAM on your server. But you should have an easy way for the responsible agencies to contact you for take-down requests.

For people hosting in the EU, this pdf document explains the legal situation a bit and also where and how to report CSAM, should you come across it.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Federation lovers find out all the work that goes behind curtains in any modern website that hosts user generated content.

To all the people who like to talk smack to Jitsi for requiring Google login, lemmy.world for banning piracy communities, or to even to YT for honouring takedown requests: go ahead and try to host just 100 people on your site.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know, and I just saw this after the meme about people hosting instances taking risks for others...

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was contemplating setting up an instance dedicated to micromobility, active transport and livable cities... but this is a BIG turn off - I don't think it's worth spinning up a new instance until the new mod tools land, and the ability to disable caching federated thumbnails

There are some instances using ML to scan their pictrs folder IIRC, could be good if it could quarantine/delete/purge posts from Lemmy

[–] not_amm@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Hey, that sounds very interesting. Hope you can do it in the future, I'll definitely join. :)

[–] eric5949@lemmy.cloudaf.site 15 points 2 years ago

Ngl this might be it for my instance, not dealing with all this.

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aww, dang, scrubbles was gonna be one of my internet friends. I get it though, protecting yourself is important. Good luck, comrade.

[–] Naomikho@monyet.cc 13 points 2 years ago

I had to clean a child porn image once because some bastard registered at an instance I'm moderating and posted an anime child porn image to another instance using the account he created here. And I found a total of 5 copies of that image in the server...

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Egregious CSAM aside, none of these websites, including sites like Reddit, can be 100% confident that the people posting images are doing so of people who are over 18. For example, how could Lemmy or Reddit be confident that (insert gonewild poster here) is over the age of 18? As far as I'm aware the only checks that they do are to confirm that the poster is the person they say they are, not that they are of an appropriate age to post.

[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Site is back up after being rehosted off-site!

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

Indeed, that's great!

[–] sab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You forgot to put "temporarily" in your headline.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Happy to see they are back