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!religiouscringe@midwest.social
I mean, do you think Islamophobia is rooted in theological disputes? The Christian nationalists who find common ground between Catholics, evangelicals, Eastern Orthodox, and Jews hate Muslims because of their almost indistinguishable tenets of faith?
Yep. While technically being an Islamophobe isn’t racist, odds are the reason one is an Islamophobe has very little to do with them being Islamic.
Also, the hateful person does not care to distinguish between race, ethnicity, religion, or whatever other aspect they decide to hate. They have classified some attributes as making people not like them and hateable. The framework of analysis you are using is immaterial to the racist. That is, they do care that they are Islamic, just not with any subtlety.
I hate Islam. I'm not racist.
I also hate any religion that states unequivocally in their holy book that certain classes of people are less than others.... which is a core tenet of Islamic and Christian beliefs.
I couldn't actually tell you if it's in the Tanakh, but it very well wouldn't surprise me.
Any positive experience and interaction I have with a Muslim is in spite of their beliefs and their religion being a bit backwards in places.
Edit: I also hate any religion that preaches that people are inherently evil or unworthy of salvation...... that shit is toxic af.
Uh, you sure about the Jews there bud? I don't recall many Christian nationalists having a particularly high opinion of Judaism. In fact I'd say they hate Jews more than they hate muslims
Have you never tried a Hebrew National? Shit is lit.
I mean, it is the same for everyone, we all know what happens when a religion you're not part of takes control. Religious people are simply hypocritical about it, but they're sort of justified. The Catholics took over the USA due to immigration and it worried the protestants back then, it could very well happen with another religion.
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Discriminating and/or being mean to Muslims is not cool. Thinking their religion is fucking stupid is cool. Same goes for the other religions.
Religion is part of identity. You can't make fun of someone's religion without also making fun of them for being stupid enough to believe it.
Not to mention that the profoundly religious associate everything they do as acting in accordance with scripture. So by making a mockery of their faith, you are by extension the enemy of all that is good and just, and there's no difference in intent from their perspective.
That's why you can never try to reason with people who are religious. If they're going to interpret it that way anyways, may as well meet them at their level and accept the situation for what it is.
I don't think religious people are stupid per se for being religious, but I do think in most cases that they lost a crucial opportunity in childhood to form independant opinions and rational thought.
You make some good points though re trying to reason with religious people. Aside from the deep, deep lifelong programming... there's a little voice in the back of their mind that must be silenced, because it would be incredibly damaging to their psyche to realise they've tied themselves & their lives to something false.
I don't disagree with any of that. However, deconversion does happen past childhood in some cases, thankfully.
You can say the same about any ideology and conviction. But, it is clearly false. Questioning dogmas is nearly the ONLY way to put people into rational path. Yes, most of them refuse, but some of them will. There are a lot of people who got helped by others questioning their dogmas. You also will help yourself when you question yours.
Religion is part of identity. You can’t make fun of someone’s religion without also making fun of them for being stupid enough to believe it.
Don't sell yourself short. I know exactly what it is like being brought up religious and I have many people close to me who are devout, you can manage if I can. I feel bad with people infected with the mind virus. I want to help them. They are just as wise, as smart, as good as I am. The difference is, by pure luck, I am less infected than they are.
It takes around 20 seconds to find the first logical fallacy in the Bible. So no, they're not as wise and smart.
I don't recall getting any smarter or wiser when I left.
I don't recall becoming any smarter than when I was 15, yet when looking back I can clearly see it being so.
I mean, that’s certainly not exclusive to religion. If you can’t reason with anybody who identifies as part of group there’s really not a lot of people left.
You’re generalising behaviour too much. Many people just accept that you feel differently.
Not everyone is radicalised.
Not all bigotry is racist. I don't think mocking Islam is bigoted, but holy fuck can it be sometimes.
Its like the saying "I couldn't give you a dictionary definition of porn but I know it when I see it"
I couldn't explain to you what the differences between one asshole making fun of Islam and a racist doing it but I sure as shit know it when I see it
I think you cross the line ~~once~~ when it's not critical and just spiteful.
Singling out can be a form of xenophobia, in this case with the religion part simply being an excuse for it. You know, the way dogwhistles work. You don't betray the prejudiced part, you say something which technically you can argue for. Playing innocent saves the day again.
When people make something stupid their identity, and I call the stupid thing stupid, and they feel offended, that is not on me.
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Muslims are an oppressed race of people
Is this sarcasm or are you serious?
My brother, did you even look at the meme?
What, do I have to drop a stupid ass /s every time I make a joke? Of course I'm not being serious.
Hah. Fair. But have you seen the rest of the comments? There are a lot of sweaty serious people here.
That is also fair. I usually don't scroll too far down because I've noticed the further down I scroll, the more likely I am to let impulse take over.
When that happens, I get stuck in an internet argument for like a week and a half.
Thinking Islam is a race is racist.
Other than you assume folks are Muslim because they are brown, yeah, sure, wahtever.