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[–] merridew@feddit.uk 46 points 2 years ago

"When looking at the use of face masks and mask mandates, studies consistently reported the measures were an effective approach to reduce infection. The evidence further indicates higher-quality respirator masks (such as N95 masks) were more effective than surgical-type masks."

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is news? I thought we already knew that loke one year or more ago...

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We've basically known it since germ theory, or maybe before. Still, it doesn't hurt to have the study to point crazy people to. They won't believe it, but it at least ensure anyone else reading might not trust them.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Remember when early in the pandemic the news and the CDC was saying masks won't help?

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, they lied to people in an attempt to save the supply of masks for people in health care because there weren't enough stockpiled. And they wonder why people don't trust them anymore.

[–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Which part do you disagree with? That the CDC lied about masks working, or my explanation of their motivations?

[–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thier motivations. The CDC was in a scramble and early theories were contradictions of one another.

Level one medical masks will not prevent you from getting COVID.

The CDC recommended everyone to wear level one and then eventually level two masks to prevent the spread to others.

It was around the time that a lot of people were asymptomatic carries of the virus and was spreading it.

There was an initial issue with getting masks for hosiptals but it was mainly supply chain issues. China was fairly quickly able to adapt to the changes.

Hand sanitizer was the biggest issue. Everyone was buying that up right away.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the explanation given by even liberal news outlets.

The full source from CNN

I'll concede that they didn't know the specific mechanisms of the virus (hence hand sanitizer despite it mostly doing nothing), but it was pretty clearly respiratory (given its close relatives SARS and MERS) and, well, masks work against that. Also to clarify my position so you don't get the wrong idea, I'm radically pro-mask and think that repealing the mandates was and is social murder.

[–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 1 points 2 years ago

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/correcting-misinformation-about-dr-fauci/

"At the time, Fauci said he was “not against” anyone wearing a mask if they wanted to, but he warned that if everyone wore them it “could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it,” particularly health care providers and people who were ill.

Then in April 2020, when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that everyone wear face coverings in public because of virus transmission from asymptomatic carriers, Fauci also began encouraging universal mask use. He said in an interview two months later that he and other health officials truly did not realize the degree to which infected people without symptoms were spreading the virus, which led to the shift in masking guidance. That does not mean that he “lied” to the public."

Fauci wasn't part of the CDC. His opinion was incorrect and he swiftly corrected himself when he had seen the right information. His earlier statement was in Feb and was misfounded.

There were no mask shortages like there was no toilet paper shortages.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I remember it as saying they won't be perfect and won't help enough, and also that people in critical positions (Healthcare specifically) needed them and the supply was limited. I don't think I ever heard from an official source that they wouldn't help, but I've heard many people say they said that.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here is an overview of how the government's recommendations changed over time. They were explicitly advising against wearing face masks and saying they don't work. Ex:

U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams tweets that wearing a face mask will not prevent the public from contracting the novel coronavirus.

“Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” he wrote in a tweet that was later deleted. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's always good to verify your hypothesis even if it's seemingly obvious. Just because something seems like it's logical and how it should be doesn't mean it is.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk -2 points 2 years ago

This is why I am starting to conduct my study into if fire is hot.

It appears to be, but I feel extensive additional researchers required.

"Ow"

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

So we're bringing them back, right? anakin-padme-4

[–] eierkuchen@beehaw.org 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No shit, sherlock! I'll inform pikachu right away. Brb.

[–] Misconduct@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

I still wear mine. I'll probably always wear it when I'm sick in the future. Never realized how easy it was not to be nasty and spread illnesses around

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago
[–] slimarev92@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago
[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You mean the right wing extremist crazies who exaggerate everything from EV fires to being unable to breathe in masks were wrong?

Huge shocker. They definitely seemed so confident

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 years ago

No, really? Wow.

I'm so glad they conducted a study, that was money well spent that was.

[–] theletterd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Probably more lockdowns than facemasks (at least how people were using them)

[–] demlet@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You mean my cloth mask and beard might not have been so effective?

(I like to think at least I was protecting other people a little...)

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

It's better than nothing as long as you were wearing it correctly and kept time exposure as low as possible. N95 would've been best of course

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Masks were mostly effective at stopping someone infecting others.
Only properly sealed N95+ masks would really be effective on the receiving end.

And sadly, that meant that the (non-exempt) selfish bastards who refused to wear them still spread it around.

So you were definitely protecting other people, and did a great job :)

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My company's owner (were an MSP, maybe 30-40 employees back then) somehow got a backdoor deal on some N95 masks for us at the company, and we had a lot of work from home too. I'm not sure they were quite as good as official ones, but they were still pretty good until more masks became available.

[–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 0 points 2 years ago

You have to get Fit Tested to find the right N95 respirators. You likely had KN95S respirators.

They work just as good.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cloth masks still work to slow down particles coming out of you so they don't spread as far, so it's still helpful to prevent spread. It just doesn't filter things that well, so anything you're breathing in is still just as likely to infect you. It's a good safety measure, particularly if everyone is wearing one. It doesn't work well if everyone except the infected person is.

[–] midgephoto@photog.social 2 points 2 years ago

@theletterd @merridew
There's cutting, and there's deflecting.
A demographic shift is observed in the USA, related to political stupidity and preference on mask wearing.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

you mean wearing it under your nose and pulling on it when talking makes it less effective?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Measures taken during the Covid pandemic such as social distancing and wearing face masks “unequivocally” reduced the spread of infections, a report has found.

Experts looked at the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) – not drugs or vaccines – when applied in packages that combine a number of measures that complement one another.

Prof Sir Mark Walport, the foreign secretary of the Royal Society and chairman of the report’s expert working group, said: “There is sufficient evidence to conclude that early, stringent implementation of packages of complementary NPIs was unequivocally effective in limiting Sars-CoV-2 infections.

Additionally, the report found that in school settings, closures and other distancing measures were associated with reduced Covid-19 cases, but the effectiveness varied depending on a range of factors, including adherence and pupils’ ages.

For the future, the report recommends establishing international protocols for conducting clinical trials and observational research on NPIs in advance of further pandemics.

The report draws together the findings of six expert-led evidence reviews, published in a special themed issue of the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A.


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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unequivocally - never heard that word. It means clearly or definitely.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

My knowledge has been enbiggened.

[–] AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Cromulent - never heard that word. It means acceptable or adequate.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Those of you that may be a bit lost on the reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4qP42Aqpbg (Simpsons)

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Reminds me of a birthday card with George W. Bush on it. It said "I unequivocally wish you a happy birthday!" on the front and "Uh, unless 'unequivocally' means 'don't.'" on the inside.

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago
[–] richietozier4@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago