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[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Are they not gonna give a bullshit reason for this? Just straight up give us your data and it's secure on our Azure instances?

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Python is slow enough as is, who the fuck thought adding a web request to that was a good idea‽

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because it was so much easier to send data to the cloud than embed a Python interpreter. 🤦

I wouldn't be surprised if there already is one in the monstrosity that is Excel

[–] lemonflavoured@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My guess is that they are seeing this as less likely to become a security hole.

[–] earthling@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep. Everyone in the thread asking this question seems clueless to me. Macros are already a threat. I can’t imagine what a shitshow full on python would be.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

The Python API they gave doesn't have disk access. Maybe somebody'll discover an exploit but that's for everything.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can understand the cloud part. they wanted it work on the web and phones. They do know many businesses don't want cloud, so I see a good chance they'll ship it with embedded Python eventually.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Phones can also run Python and web is already a pretty separate version, I don't see why they can't only make the web version cloud.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Money, what else? Office 365 is a priority and this is an attempt to hasten adoption.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least iPhone apps usually redirect Python tasks to their servers. That's one reason there are projects like Tensorflow Light.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For instance? All the python apps I've downloaded so far seem to function offline.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can look up Tensorflow Light.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's just machine learning which is very resource consuming. It has no relation to your purported case of phones redirecting all python tasks to servers.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, I dug more to find out I'm wrong.

But isn't ML technology a thing Excel offers with its new Python interface?

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Not really. I don't expect them to have a cloud instance running that long.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

You can even get third party libraries, though it's limited compared to less restrictive environments.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Someone on lemmy.world pointed out the FOSS xlwings also exists.