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I've noticed in the Linux community whenever someone asks for a recommendation on a laptop that runs Linux the answer is always "Get a Thinkpad" yet Lenovo doesn't seem to be a big Linux contributor or ally. There's also at least six Linux/FOSS-oriented computer manufacturers now:

So what gives? Why the love for a primarily Windows-oriented laptop when there are better alternatives?

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[–] MrNorm@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

The second hand market for Lenovo laptops is usually pretty good. Lots of corporations have hardware cycles and recycle the things in huge waves. I've picked up an X230 and X270 for fractions of what they were worth new. Accessories too.

[–] 20gramsWrench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

those manufacturer either have to charge thouthands, or use the cheapest possible hardware they can find to be interesting compared to the thinkpads of old, which can take a punch or two and get replacement parts

[–] PhictionalOne@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For people starting with Linux I am more comfortable to recommend them second hand/used laptops. And Thinkpads are prime examples for repairability and upgradability so you find a loot more Thinkpads that go for cheaper.

Besides that. My next Laptop is either gonna be a framework or something from Tuxedo.

PS: I know that newer Thinkpads lack in repairability. I have a X1 Carbon with soldered-on RAM... Suffice to say I wouldn't buy that again...

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[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me it's Dell, when I bought my (used) Latitude E5470 there was even Ubuntu running officially on it IIRC at the time. I like the small Dell because there's ton of them 3+ years old, parts available everywhere, they are pretty solid and made for corporate world, they are no toy like Asus. A $1500 model can be had for like $200-300 after a couple of years. I installed MX Linux on it, everything works perfectly without touching or configuring anything.

For instance now you can find a nice E7480 for 200-300$, with Core I7, 8GB or 16GB RAM, SSD, 1080p, NFC, fingerprint, USB-PD dock compatible, etc.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've had good luck with Dell Latitudes* from work and personal purchase from several years ago. I would probably tend to get one again when I update. I had zero issues installing Mint on one of the E6410s.

We switched to HP at work and mine have been reliable also and a nice minimalist look and decently thin form factor. I'd consider those too.

[–] boo@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not sure, but, I dont think any of them are available outside usa/europe. Lenovo has more global coverage

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[–] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 6 points 2 years ago

Some of these dont really ship worldwide. Not all of them offer a good bang for the buck in terms of hardware specs, and big companies sometimes offer more options (system76 traditionally didnt offer screens over FHD, most laptops are only 14"....).

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

I'd guess build quality is a big factor for most of those recommenders. I like Lenovo, even though other computers have better specs, because Lenovo's are tough and reasonably priced.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The X1 Carbon series is popular with Linux kernel devs, so it's had a lot of TLC. It makes a big difference for some stuff like sleeping. My Thinkpads handled sleeping really well, and I could expect to leave it sitting for at least a week and come back to somewhat low battery. My Framework laptops, as nice as they are otherwise, will drain the battery during sleep in 24h, no matter what I've tried. The situation is apparently better on the newer-gen Framework laptops, and IMO Framework's open nature will lead to a similar situation to Thinkpads, but it's not quite there yet.

Apart from sleep, I've heard complaints about the manufacturing quality of some of the other options, but haven't used them myself so can't verify. Might be why some people recommend the Thinkpads, though. I do really like the quality of the Framework, and I'd recommend people take a look at them over Thinkpads now, unless they care about sleep battery usage.

To chime in with some of the other answers, price also makes a difference. Thinkpads have been around long enough that there's a nice large used market. I got a rock-solid Thinkpad T480 for a few hundred dollars from some dude on Craigslist. My Framework is higher-specced and was paid for by my work, but it still starts out ~$800. I think it'll just take time before other manufacturers have a similar situation.

[–] sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Give me something less than 15k INR and I might consider it

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[–] sab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bought my last few laptops from Tuxedo. Their 13" infinibook can be quite noisy, but I'm having a blast with the Polaris I bought last year.

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[–] SoaringDE@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Had Tuxedo experience: 3/5 at most Had ThinkPad experience: 4/5 at least

[–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Didn’t Lenovo like 15 years ago make a line of desktops that shipped with some redhat derivative installed? Or am I thinking of something else?

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[–] pwr22@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

Entroware is another you could add to the list. I had a good experience buying from them. They do the usual Clevo OEM things.

[–] raven@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Do any of these have:

  • As nice a keyboard, that I don't have to worry about spilling a cup of coffee on.
  • Track point or similar.
  • Ability to survive a fall down a flight of stairs.
  • 4:3 or 16:10 aspect ratio.
  • Ports.
    While being built with repairability in mind?

I day dream about stuffing the guts of a modern laptop inside with a USB hub and an enormous battery, but that's a huge undertaking.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

The first machine I ever installed with a distro was an MSI Ultrabook and Linux, out of the box, visibly improved the overall performance of the machine, with no need for benchmarking. After tweaking and fine tunning, it only improved.

After that came a long series of Asus, a few HP, one or two Dell. Always flawless installs, out of the box. The only exception I can remember of was a very specific HP model where the modem had to be manually installed.

Having a hand full of companies designing and building for linux feels like being part of an exclusive, Apple-like club; the prices are high, the choice limited.

We should be pressing the industry to recognize the linux ecosystem for what it is: a stable OS, with an ever growing user base with money to spend that want quality support for the equipments they buy.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Price, used thinkpads are cheap. I know I can get parts basically anywhere too.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 2 years ago

Also Vant and Slimbook from Spain. I own a PC from Vant and I'm happy with it but I would think twice before buying a laptop for 1.5k when I can just get a used lenovo for half that price and use it for next 10 years.

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