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Wouldn't that be a backslide and not a revolution?
No doubt it's a backslide, but it's still a revolution where the entire country stood up and said "fuck this, let's change things" and no one got hurt. It's possible if people want to change the system.
The goal of the link was to show the possibility of change without violence. It's absolutely possible. For now, skip past the details of what flag fell and what rose up - Capitalism can be stopped when people see another way and are tired of what they are going through. Right now they only see details of history and miss the potential for what happened and how it started.
I dont think that's an accurate portrayal of history, also this just proves that communist states can peacefully transition not capitalist ones if we take what you said as given
please explain why you banned me from world news. i broke no rules whatsoever.
You can look at the modlog at the bottom of the web page
I see it, I'm asking you to explain specifically which rules I broke because your modulo comments do not cite any rules.
"Wars/personal violence equivocation"
lol. firstly, you don't know what "equivocation" means. I guess you mean equivalence? Secondly, it's called an analogy used for the purpose of discussion.
And since when is advocating for self-defense "pro war"? By your logic anything other than absolute pacifism is "pro war". Is there no scenario in your mind where the use of force may be necessary? That was the entire point of the conversation I was having which you unilitarerally decided to nuke, and which broke absolutely no community or Lemmy rules whatsoever.
Go ahead and disagree with me in the comments if you like, but removing them and banning me is a ridiculous overuse of mod powers. you are just censoring comments you disagree with.
Secondly, it’s called an analogy used for the purpose of discussion.
It is an inaccurate analogy that serves to justify war.
And since when is advocating for self-defense “pro war”?
It isn't self defense when you've been bombarding civilians and using nazi paramilitaries in the oblasts the Russians want to occupy for years before the war started.
And since when is advocating for self-defense “pro war”? By your logic anything other than absolute pacifism is “pro war”. Is there no scenario in your mind where the use of force may be necessary?
Well, let me say it like this. You're argument is based on the ideal of self defense, and not the actual historical conditions or the outcomes of that war continuing to be prosecuted. What good is an ideal to a dead conscript or civilian? If you want to go around justifying war use less obviously disingenuous rhetoric.
...the fall of communism wasn't violent.
odd I have to point this out here.
it was very violent. not only did the anti-communists rely on violent tactics like terrorism and sabotage, as they never had the support of the people (more on that later), but their coup also lead to mass poverty, starvation, a rise in crime unprecedented in the history of the world, narcomany, prostitution amongst women and children, the restitution of religion and superstition in society, the return of wage theft and -slavery and the reignition of nationalist conflicts. these conflicts led to nearly 200,000 deaths, plus additional deaths from ethnic conflicts and pogroms. from 1990 to 1994, the male life expectancy dropped from 63.8 years to 57.7 years. how is all this not violent?
also, as i said, those "revolutions" did not have popular support and thus werent revolutions at all. they were counter-revolutionary coups directed by american intelligence agencies. the overwhelming majority of the people in former socialist countries still prefer their past governments over their current pro-western puppet regimes, even after decades of capitalist propaganda.
you consider the 90s fall of communism violent, yet you're fine with the purges stalin did for decades
WOW, that's deranged lol
It was violent compared to what?
Very violent lol, jfc get a grip. The Khmer Rouge was violent. Krystalnacht was violent. The last spasms of communism died peacefully shitting it's bed in it's drunken stupor.
And you want to return to communism, but daddy Putie won't let you.
You traded a gaggle of soviet oligarchs for a tyrant oligarch and whine and moan about how things were better. Yeah well if you had built a better country you might benefit from the rest of the world, but instead Putie decided to build a petrocracy on fossil fuels.
and then doubled down on it again and again for decades.
That's just so fucking dumb in so many directions I don't even know where to begin.
'very violent' I can't tell if you're lying, uneducated, or just deluded. either way you're incorrect.
I think Ghandi led a non-violent revolution, to be fair
Ghandi's revolution succeeded through mass noncompliance.
Nonviolence was a luxury Ghandi could afford during the revolution because Indians outnumbered British soldiers by something like 20k to 1. There was no world where the recently weakened UK (after WW2) could hold India once it decided to become independent.
Point seems to have been that it was a succesful non-violent revolution
The article I posted above gets into this, but it was not. The British did not quit India because some guy went on a hunger strike, and they actively propagate pacifist myths like his because they are completely unthreatening.