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Let’s be honest, the real reason Lemmy build most of its traffic is because of Reddit users. But the thing is, outside of the mass exodus in the west that too from the PC era.. people discover and join Reddit not because it’s another social media like Facebook or Twitter that people need to reserve their usernames on like a brand or celebrity but because Google Search is kinda… actually absolute trash by SEO and machine learning crawlers.

Most of the world (I am from India btw, hello~) join or even discover reddit because they’re trying to search for actual solutions, recommendations, advice or even reviews by actual experienced people without having to go through another YouTuber which can stem from troubleshooting a router, finding an actual FOSS option or seeking immediate solutions to the recent CrowdStrike fiasco for example. After having to visit reddit every time whenever using a search engine including for education to career advice, I ended up directly signing up with reddit a decade ago.

Recently, Reddit even restricted its search results to Google only in a business partnership meaning those using Bing, DuckDuckGo to Ecosia or even SearchGPT wouldn’t be able to access Reddit answers anymore. Say, if someone searches for how to block ads on chrome as example - Solutions like uBlock Origin come into existence and continue to exist because of the combined community in Reddit that Lemmy is trying to preserve.

Unlike others, am not saying Lemmy would be dead but it would be pretty much like Discord-Telegram or Tumblr instead of wiping Reddit or correcting Facebook. Reddit is not something you discover from word-of-mouth or join from peer pressure unlike other social media which is even truer for Lemmy but because it actually helps and is useful to people.

Lemmy can’t be taking the path of 𝕏 (Alone Mask’s Twitter) but any of the good platforms were before the Enshittification with Facebook’s way~

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that Lemmy should attempt to show up on search results.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This would hurt Reddit, the business relationship with Reddit (like Google exclusivity), the entire position of Reddit (organic search results) for Steve Huffington as the CEO.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no business relationship between Lemmy and Reddit.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am pretty sure they meant the relationship between Reddit and Google.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, not sure how he misread that.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The punctuation

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 42 points 1 year ago

Well, it is indexable and is being indexed. And thanks to the federated nature every post is getting tons of links from all over the world.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why does Lemmy need to do anything but be Lemmy? I don’t want to see it turn into Reddit. I like it just fine the way it is now.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More traffic plus searchability means more niche communities start to develop actual value.

As in the Lemmy community is a resource of info to the real world hobbits.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

real world hobbits

!lordoftherings@lemmy.world is that way.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Lemmy could absolutely benefit from a bit more traffic. Lemmy is a good Reddit replacement for the largest subs. Like if you're into self hosting, Linux and general tech there's a lot to offer. But if I need to engage with a smaller community or ask a niche question I know there just isn't enough people here to fulfill that. Either that or a lot of smaller Lemmy communities are just bots reposting from their equivalent subreddit.

I'm pulling a number out of my ass but it seems like for every 50 people to subscribe to a community, you'll get 1 really active poster and 49 lurkers. My hometown on Reddit has 23k subscribers it's safe to say it's got about 400 active users. On Lemmy it's 86 and as the assumption math goes, there's only 1 person posting there.

Even if our traffic doubled we'd still be tiny in comparison but at least the small communities would start to come alive

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit didn't become popular overnight. It took decades before small communities were a thing. The internet is even less discoverable than when reddit got popular. People don't search for new websites or move without a reason.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, it kind of did. When Digg imploded Reddit received a massive influx of users over night. At the time and with Digg out of the picture there just wasn't a good alternative to Reddit (slashdot and fark to lesser degrees) so they had the whole market to themselves. Similarly a lot of us came to Lemmy overnight when Reddit turned off their apps. The difference is, Reddit for many many users is still good enough and fundamentally the same as it's always been.

The fact is though, without search traffic the only way to end up on Lemmy is knowing it already exists and that's going to hinder growth.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You worded the core understanding in a better way but finally someone gets it!

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i don’t know about decades plural. maybe one.

also reddit didn’t have to compete with reddit.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No disagreement, I just would prefer to see it happen organically. I’m not against indexing Lemmy or getting new users of course. I’m against Lemmy trying to be Reddit. After all, we saw how Reddit turned out. Why aim to be the thing we escaped from?

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definitely. Luckily the fediverse by its nature is somewhat insulated from becoming a company with a CEO like Reddit.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I said search indexable which would only allow the OC of Lemmy to outshine Reddit (to which it holds its most pride on) and not become Reddit like adding snoovatars or awards anywhere in my unpopular opinion with valid reason expanded above.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

More people means more discussions. But more people also means more chance of encountering idiots. It's a hard balance.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago

It's great besides some of the power tripping mods that do whatever they want and remain anonymous while doing it.

[–] scarabine@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indexable content is a good idea objectively, but Lemmy will never “be Reddit”. Sometimes something is just lost.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Again, am saying Lemmy doesn’t have to be Reddit with award system, snoovatars, NFTs… and what not - it’s not about that.

Am not going to repeat what has been already expanded above but Lemmy shouldn’t be walking the path made by Meta to 𝕏 as well like a good thing. When I have mentioned Reddit earlier, it was to remind what it was before the enshittification to understand the reason of its growth and strong position even today. People need to discover Lemmy in their own way beyond the existing reddit users from the comments section.

[–] scarabine@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 year ago

Oh! I think we agree, my apologies for misunderstanding you and talking past what you were saying.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The trouble is that search engines can't easily scope their search to "all of lemmy" (since things like site:lemmy.world would limit the scope to only a single instance) so they've got to develop that functionality from scratch. And with search engines being proprietary, it's not really possible for the Lemmy devs to help them with that even if they want to.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think even Lemmy.world would be good instead of nothing where most of big subreddits have shifted as well, once a user creates an account then the rest would be easily accessible.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would love to see Reddit come crashing down with Lemmy replacing it.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Me too bud, me too…

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

It won't become a major platform for the simple reason that something that should be the back end (the decentralization) is the front end (multiple websites with access to the same content but not really)

[–] Alice@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 1 year ago
[–] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do we want it to replace Reddit though? Things changr

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Reddit’s path of change is only how to become even worse.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Nope. I hope it remains more obscure and nerd filled

[–] troed@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best way to accomplish that is to tell people that Kagi has better search results than Google and Bing (which is true).

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes $5 for 300 searches per month. $10 for unlimited.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, don’t think vast majority of users is going to bother.

[–] troed@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Services paid for by ads is the source of enshittification.

Companies should pay for Kagi for their employees. Better search results AND less risk of downloading keyword sponsored malware.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago