I think burkinis are dumb, personally, but I don't give a damn what people wear. This is just typical ingroup-outgroup postering fueled by a proto fascist government, standard stuff really. Also, hygiene? Bro, it's the ocean, a layer of clothing extra ain't gonna make a difference.
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Burkinis are great for anyone wanting to protect their skin without reapplying SPF 50 every 2 hours.
Exactly, they are really practical and they allow more people to enjoy the beach.
They look like derpy wet suits. Although some are definitely worse looking than others.
Hygiene is indeed a weird argument when you swim in a giant fish toilet.
The hygiene part made me laugh, given the photo. That beach is full of children most likely peeing in the water and there's a container ship in the distance, discharging god knows what into the sea.
Someone whose swimsuit has a bit more material in it is not a threat.
I read a survey once that had a large number of adults pee in the water too. It's not just children.
Now that you mention it, I do myself, but not if there are people nearby.
That beach looks like a hellscape to be honest, there are just way too many people there. I bet the water has things like sticking plasters floating in it.
Well, the hole in the ozone is getting worse again so as someone who lives near it, I'm looking at burkinis/rash shirts for the coming summer.
I don't want skin cancer.
This.
Also, these men trying to dictate what women wear never seem to consider just how uncomfortable they make us in public spaces and that many (of all, if any religion) choose to cover up to avoid their gaze (as well as other reasons). They also never seem to have an issue with nuns.. 🤔🤔🤔
I just stay out of the sun. As an ignorant Italian in my youth I already caused who knows how much damage being taken to the beach by my parents all the time. I will cover up and wear a very large brimmed hat but mostly just stay indoors. Fuck cancer.
Saying burkinis are dumb is a really dumb thing to say.
For some bucket hats are dumb, but some people wear them. Not your place to judge. Also, it allows people of certain believes to have an equal access to commodities like going to a beach and go for a swim in a public.
In this regards, I would say, they are pretty smart.
let them judge. as long as they don't force their opinion on others; that's good enough. Cultural difference, that's it.
"How dare muslims tell women what to wear, we want to be the ones who tell them what to wear."
Pretty much my thoughts. Who the hell is gate keeping a public beach? Europeans are whacked out. Banning burkinis was beyond moronic, and now this?
I don't think this is about "Europeans" so much as it's about ignorance.
Europeans actually working in the space of migrant women's human rights have pointed out that mainstream society imposing restrictions on their clothes just makes it harder for them to participate in social spaces and be part of the wider society.
This is just prejudice mixed with ridiculousness. Yes covering head to toe seems weird based on western culture. But it doesn't hurt anything at all, there are certainly no hygiene issues. Do these people know what's in the ocean? Everything, that's what, you name it, it's in there. A bit of cloth isn't going to affect the ocean .00000000000001%.
Except... That's not how the ocean works? There are localized effects to pollution. You can test this by spilling oil in your nearest ocean. Watch how it disperses, and watch how it doesn't actually disperse that far away from you because of currents and whatnot.
Not justifying the OP, but your statement is really inaccurate.
How much pollution do you expect to get off a piece of cloth that's presumably been washed versus a regular person's body? Is it really inaccurate to say it isn't a concern pollution wise? Is it worth bringing up in this context? Despite your disclaimer, aren't you giving fuel to the idea that the complaints had some merit?
That's 100% correct though I'd like to add the caveat that you shouldn't swim in clothing -- Burkinis are made for swimming, of course, and they're fine, but the article says nothing about what the woman actually wore, if you're about to go swimming in loose-fitting ordinary cloth yes you should absolutely be stopped.
We got basic rescue swimmer qualifications in school (DLRG Bronze) and part of that was swimming in clothing (in particular, age-old ill-fitting flecktarn they picked up somewhere) and then undressing while in water, it is not easy even if you're a stellar swimmer, if you can barely hold yourself over water without panicking (that's like the default skill level of people who can supposedly swim) you're done for. Doubly so on the fucking beach with waves and undertow and everything.
You can test this by spilling oil in your nearest ocean.
Okay, but I'm telling the authorities it was your idea.
Funny. Normally right-wingers are trying to force women to wear more clothing. These same knuckle draggers were no doubt beside themselves in outrage when the bikini was first invented.
chauvinist wojack: they don't know they're being oppressed
When did beachwear rules become more than "if you are of age, cover your private parts (unless its a nudist beach)"? What the age is and what "private parts" mean changes from culture to culture, of course.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The right-wing mayor of the small town of Monfalcone in Friuli-Venezia Giulia wrote a letter to the Muslim community saying the territory shouldn’t accept the “Islamization” of their customs and to respect the region’s rules on beachwear.
The Italian constitution guarantees full freedom to its citizens but several governments, largely in the north of the country, have attempted to ban various types of head coverings over the years.
In 2006, the Regional Administrative Tribunal of Friuli-Venezia Giulia ruled that the mayor of Trieste could not ban head coverings for security reasons under the 152/1975 because it violated people’s religious freedoms.
The 152/1975 anti-terrorism law states that people cannot wear masks or motorcycle helmets in public to evade identification.
This law has been cited multiple times as cause for banning religious head and face coverings in the northern regions of Friuli-Venezia Giulia and Lombardy, whose regional and local governments have historically been controlled by either the right-wing Forza Italia party or the far-right Lega party.
In 2021, the European Court of Justice ruled that people who work with the public who refuse to remove their hijab or other religious or ideological clothing could be fired from their job in order to present a “neutral image towards customers or to prevent social disputes.”
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