And no, I'm not saying don't vote; I'm saying that there comes a point when voting isn't going to solve the problem
"dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg"
-hexbear
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2024
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As a leftist I find tankies an absolute fucking disgrace. Dunno if it's the fact that I'm middle aged and Finnish, so not only do I know a lot of people who had to escape the Soviet Union but I've visited it, and I had an entire branch of my family tree genocided by the Soviets, but I just can't fathom how somebody can be so stupid as to idolize someone like fucking Stalin (or Mao or whichever incompetent psycho a particular tankie loves)
Well, you see, every atrocity committed by Stalin or Mao was justified and it's only CIA propaganda that makes you think otherwise. /s
And everyone I know who has horror stories of life in the glorious workers' paradise of the USSR is a lying counterrevolutionary who should have been shot by the KGB
MFW I realize genocide denialism follows the Narcissist's prayer
It didn't happen, and if it did it wasn't that bad, and if it was it's not that big a deal, and if it is it wasn't (insert genocidal party)'s fault, and if it was they didn't mean it, and if they did the victims deserved it.
Which follows because it's perpetrated by the political equivalent of narcissists: dictators and oligarchs.
Basically it is a cult mentality. And dogmatically placing ideology over reality. Ideology puts things in nice clean boxes that people think they find easy to understand.
The problem with ideology is its ideal. But not real. It's why I don't dogmatically identify as anything ideologically. Pragmatically I'm anarcho communist/ true or left libertarian. It's where my beliefs lay but it doesn't define or restrict them.
ML often just lack critical thinking skills. And are as hypocritical as the liberals they curse. But they don't do it because it's logical or based in fact. They do it to belong to a group and feel superior. Just like those they despise.
Funny story. Couple days ago I was commenting on a thread in a community. I didn't even pay attention to where the community was hosted. (Lemmy.ml lol) But people were complaining about the West, and how it is completely fascist. And how only the West does horrible things like genocide etc. To which I replied 'Russia and China would like to have a word with you". Predictably they screeeed that they "aren't Marxist Leninist". Which I pointed out that they had been. And that their evolution was representative of ML. That any groups, given absolute power. Would rather destroyed their societies than relinquish it. Whether they're capitalist or ML. And stated that no ML government will achieve communism, or even remain socialist. Bam perma ban for "horse shoe theory" bullshit. That's when I realized the server the community was on and broke out laughing. I take the band as a badge of honor. Previously I had been banned from the same Community for a month. The made up reason for that one was genocide denial. Because I had the audacity to admonish people for conflating actual genocide with enabling genocide. I didn't deny it. But as I said. ML are whiny hypocrites. Who can't argue their own positions. And look for any petty out they can find.
Anyone defending genocide isnt a leftist, not a liberal, a "tankie" or anything else.
They're a fascist who doesn't want to be called a fascist.
It's not like people are running around using NK as a straw puppet for why democracy is bad, we all agree they're just lying about their governmental system.
Anyone defending genocide isnt a leftist, not a liberal, a "tankie" or anything else.
They're a fascist who doesn't want to be called a fascist.
Eh, although I agree in principle, facism isn't a catch-all term for all authoritarian ideologies. Fascism is essentially corporatist ("corporation" in the poli sci sense, not "ruled by private corporations") authoritarian capitalism with a big focus on private enterprise, completely against eg. welfare systems or anything like that (because weak people doesn't deserve to be supported, and if anything need to be killed), highly misogynistic, etc. etc. For example the NSDAP privatized a lot of previously public enterprises, which doesn't seem to be something a lot of people realize.
While tankies are authoritarian, they're still communists or socialists or whatever.
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They're a fascist who doesn't want to be called a fascist.
I see you have met the auth-“left”.
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You won't according to their wishes and they won't according to yours?
Not American, not even a western person, so my comment may not be relevant or welcome.
I think a part of it is bitterness(against the mainstream for letting it get to the current state) and the hope that the people facing the issues instead of a temporary 4 year delay would lead to actual changes.
Personally, I think that people should vote as long as they can safely do so.
Tho, the presidential elections seem weird for me as I'm from a parliamentary system.
If the fix was already in . . . if "voting didn't matter" then conservatives wouldn't be working so hard to suppress it.
Here in America we're choosing between being close to this point or past it.
Vote.
Do you believe we are at or past that point?
Who's "we"?
We Finns? No.
We Americans? Maybe? Getting close at least.
We Russians? Yes.
I don’t think Americans really understand what January 6th was. And what the actual failure to hold anyone accountable four years later means.
We spend decades learning about similar events in school, but when they actually happen we just shrug and keep going.
people don't want to imagine themselves living in a dystopian hellhole, so they adamantly deny that it'll ever, ever happen in this country.
as it's happening right in front of their face
On top of that, folks like to imagine they'd march with MLK but then they bitch about folks doing the kind of peaceful protesting he did.
There are no entirely peaceful mass protests any more. It's impossible to get a large procession of angry people in this day and age to stay peaceful. As soon as one person acts out, then the police go and squash the protest, which causes chaos and more violence. Then people post videos of the incident claiming that it was a riot to begin with.
Claims like that got made back in the MLK days too, now we got cameras everywhere though.
You're entirely correct, but we didn't have the Internet, a misinformation super-spreader, nor did we have Russian or Chinese disinformation agents.
I think a lot of people simply don't care; even if they didn't vote for the Face-Eating Leopard Party, they think they're safe because the leopards have only eaten the faces of people they don't really personally know or ultimately care all that much about. A generic liberal/centrist may not be an outright 'phobe or racist, but that's about the extent of their convictions.
When the leopards start eating the faces of LGBT+ people they'll go "oh dear this is terrible" when they read about it in the news, maybe make a social media post, feel bad for a while, and then move on with their day.
Cthulhu/Dagon 2024
"Why vote for the lesser evil?"
I'll take the eldritch horrors beyond my comprehension over the two old white fucks who should've died a long time ago.
At least the cosmic horrors from beyond our spacetime are honest
You know you can vote AND protest or perform direct action?
Although people that post memes like this don't do either....
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Don't blame me. I voted for Shoggoth.
I think you are at that point. You can only slow down the inevitable T thos point.
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