Not The Onion is probably the closest because of how ridiculous this is.
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Good call. Would anyone like to crosspost it? I don't want to spam the same link myself (because I dislike it when others do).
Much appreciated!
When I read that news I was shocked too.
How possibly nobody tested with even animal blood?
Water and blood have different consistency and fluidity
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Have they just been using that stupid blue water from the commercials this whole time?!
20% of my infuriation came from this terribly (I repeat, terribly) written title.
I imagine that its extremely hard to get the mass quantities of blood you need for actual testing.
Maybe, maybe not. Blood stocks are precious but they do go out of date and blood banks would jump at the chance to do something useful with the wastage. It would also be perfectly possible to do RCTs with actual women. At the very least, it would be possible to produce a liquid with the right sort of viscosity instead of using water or saline. It's just so ridiculously shit.
It sounds like nobody actually wanted to test with actual blood - not that there were technical or logistical difficulties, because if this was any other industrial problem, solutions would have been found the second time the problem showed up.
I don't understand what the concerns against using real blood were. Was it expensive? Government regulated? It could have atleast had animals blood testing or something, or are we suddenly balking at all the butchering in the food industries now too?
I don't agree with testing with real women though. That's pretty much the same as saying skincare should be tested on real people, right? It should be TESTED elsewhere, and USED by women.
My take is blood is a biohazard unless it's quality is regulated, and therefore it's a biohazard unless it's expensive. I'll go read the article in a bit maybe I'm wrong.
It is a biohazard, but that’s not a good reason not to use it, just use appropriate ppe and disposal
Every drug you take is tested on real people. They are asked to give informed consent, of course. But we don't just decide that something looks like it might work and start prescribing it. Testing period products is a trivial ask compared to something like chemotherapy. Bless every single person who consents to participate, we'd be fucked without them.
Anecdotally, when I was a child and an ad for maxi pads came on TV showing that blue liquid, I had to listen to my father bitch about how there shouldn't be ads for menstrual products because they're "disgusting." And he shouldn't "have to think of that."
...so it's anecdotal only but I may have a theory about why...
We’ve got enough to make sausages with it.
I don't think that would be an appropriate test either.
And bacon too
Get out.
Have you never heard of black pudding or bludwurst?
I have - but in this context the comparison made me think of sausages composed of period blood, which caused a physical reaction that prompted my response.
I meant it as a joke, but the down voters clearly didn't find it funny. Ah well.
Still cheaper than printer ink
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If you're using human blood, yes. Plenty of pig and cow blood out there, though.
They use it to test washing machines!
And I'm not sure about the cow stuff, but pig blood is almost completely identical to human blood down to the molecular level, so shouldn't present many if any aberrations when compared to real life intended use!
Steel girders, pizza and bath mats are all identical to human blood at the sub atomic level. Best to compare at the molecular level
Good point! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna fix my comment and then resume my steel girder and bath mats breakfast! Dennys have gotten WEIRD with their grand slam combos lately!
Mammal blood is all pretty much the same for something like this. Terrestrial mammals anyway, I don't want to guess at the limits of adaptation for things like whales.
Or extraterrestrial blood aka slightly more acidic Mountain Dew Citrus Blast
It's been a while since I was actually surprised by a post. There you have it.
what the fuck??
Testing is important. Next it should be done with adhesive bandage.
Did anyone have access to the original publication and can tell me, if they explain how they determined it being the first study and what other liquids have been used before in studies? The Guardian article only says "Manufacturers have traditionally used saline or water", but that does not tell you much, as these are not scientists with independent studies and manufacturers usually do not publish their full internal testing methods.
I only have access to its abstract and curiously it does not mention it being the first published study with actual blood, so the authors themselves did not find it very noteworthy.
I can easily imagine, that a published, standardized, reproducible (model) menstrual fluid for such an analysis does not exist yet, but I am not that involved in medical publishing. If this is the case, that would be really infuriating. It might exist as some vendors sell artificial menstrual fluid.
No study exists comparing the capacity of currently available menstrual hygiene products using blood.
They don't have to explain how they know. Literature searches are standard, and done before doing research like this. Funders want to know if they're wasting their money on a question that has already been answered, and whether the proposed methods are appropriate given what has been done, and learnt, before.
That's not to say that all literature searches are perfect. You can check on PubPeer for any howls of anguish from unacknowledged researchers. But the only legal requirement for testing is tampons due to toxic shock syndrome and its relationship to absorbency. It's really unlikely that manufacturers are doing the tests without being forced to and, if they have done any, really unlikely they would fail to publish their results if they liked the results. If they are suppressing unwelcome results, the research might as well not exist.
That's bleedin disgustin ainit.