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The Supreme Court Bans Affirmative Action in Colleges, But Does it Really Matter? (unicornriot.ninja)

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The real test will be what happens to Asian admissions. They were by far the most discriminated against in the process.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Languages comprised of logographic scripts instead of an alphabet has shown to provide the native speakers an edge when it come to STEM courses. It's quite intriguing to me this is the case.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An alphabet isn't making the average Asian sat score significantly higher than all other groups.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're right, but the STEM field is pretty specific and not too general. Logographic scripts have proven to increase one's aptitude in math and science. SAT's love both math and science, plus writing too. Writing is also a big part of STEM, especially if you want a good chance at receiving grant money to fund your research. If a scientists wants to have better chances at being awarded the initial or additional grant funding, writing well becomes almost as important as the research itself.

Edit: I'm envious as math and science were tough out the gate for me. Nonetheless, the Asian community has 100% seen and increase in discrimination and that does suck to see.

[+] TheMage@lemmy.ml -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Good. Using race to determine admissions eligibility is, well, racist. Sorry, facts. If it’s not 100% merit based then it’s a compete sham. Using race for anything is simply wrong and goes against the very idea of NOT judging someone by their race. Can’t believe it took this long. Now, get rid of affirmative action in job hiring, promotions and everything else.

This article is just a heavily slanted opinion. Oh and there is no reason to go to an Ivy League school anyways. A local community college or state school is just fine. Or, better yet, try a trade school And make great money with union benefits. Zero debt. No wasted time taking pointless classes.

[–] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Poor communities have worse public schools, fewer educational programs, etc. They have less access to education and thus have a harder time to excel in it. Affirmative action from my understanding was a way to offset the systemic racism favoring rich white communities. I don't think it's a good solution but removing it without a decade of solving the underlying issues and seeing the first kids with equal chances make it into university is just a horrible thought. EDIT: typo

[–] mintyfrog@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why not use income and where you live rather than race, then?

[–] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought those programs existed as well?

[–] mintyfrog@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, but what does race account for that income and location do not? Unless you're a racist, not very much.

[–] subignition@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I think similar logic to the paradox of tolerance may be applicable here...

It wasn't a perfect solution, but directly correcting the proportions affected by the systemic problem (using same or similar discriminators as the actual problem) was progress in the right direction. That bigot's opinion goes the exact wrong direction; the goal should have been to reach a point where there isn't enough scarcity in higher education for anyone to "lose out". In other words, the policy should try to make itself unnecessary.

I don't claim to have the solution to systemic racism, but I wouldn't be surprised if a reversal of the last half-century's anti-education trends did a lot of the legwork on that by itself. And if there are still systemic issues to address, hey! Now you have a whole lot more educated folks to help figure out what to do from there.

[–] gk99@beehaw.org -4 points 2 years ago

Basing any assistance on race is a terrible policy that will lead to countless kids falling through the cracks because they weren't the right color and live in the wrong location. That's unfair to those kids and it's clear as day. If wealth inequality is the problem, target wealth inequality, don't slap on some half-assed racial band-aid.

[+] TheMage@lemmy.ml -15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

They have a "systemic" culture problem too that only they can fix. There isnt a Govt. program for that though. It has to come from within. There are success stories coming from poorer communities which means it CAN be done. Millions of people from all walks have escaped poverty and while they may not all end up at Harvard, they've done quite well for themselves & didnt use some "fake" merit system to get there. Lifes not fair and wealthy people always have advantages. Its not a race thing either. Rich black people's kids are better off than poor or middle class white kids too. Thats life. Put effort in and sacrifice a bit. Then, you reap the rewards.

This country has more opportunities than anywhere to make something of yourself. Color is irrelevant and only used as a "victim" ploy by politicians.

[–] Krakatoa@lemmy.film 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You sound like a cunt.

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

I am what I eat. 😜

[–] subignition@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Remarkable that it only took one reply for the mask to come all the way off.

I hope someday the universe puts you on the receiving end of some equally bigoted bullshit so you get at least a chance at self-awareness.

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Relax. Why are you so angry?

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is explicitly a Nazi argument btw

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Not using race to determine college admissions versus merit is a Nazi thing? Is that what you’re going with? I see you’ve clearly thought this through. You also must have no knowledge of how Nazis actually worked. Try Google.

[–] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Okay, there is so much to unpack here. Poorer communities have a few success stories so they don't need the same support? Rich people will always have it easier so no need to do anything about it? "They" have a culture problem? Sounds like victim blaming to me.

It feels like you are not arguing in good faith so I will withdraw from this discussion.

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Arguing in good faith? You mean fanning the flames of the "victim" mentality. Thats fine. You choose to be a victim or take control of your life. Thats it.