Whenever they say "I don't want to drive down prices" that demonstrates a fundamental unseriousness about the crisis.
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2023
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It seems to me that increasing supply alone is not going to cut it. Are there not a bunch of financial groups with nearly bottomless wallets that enable them to afford to buy up any amount of property to rent or flip at any price they want, even if it means some properties sit on the market empty for a long time? This government policy seems analogous to having people with $100 dollars sitting at a no-limit poker table with a bunch of billionaires who can afford to endlessly put you all in on every bet, so they always bet more than you have and then the government comes in and says they will allow for more games to be played. Wouldn’t the policy be pointless if you don’t also limit the number of games the wealthy players can play?
You are not only right, but foreshadowing the astroturfing all of that area is going to receive. Regulating real estate is the only answer and then we'll talk about building more. We know this to be true:
- Limit ownership to either you live on the property and 1 more house.
- Corporations and all of its subsidiaries are only allowed owning for renting above a certain amount of people. For example, they couldn't own a duplex, they could only own above a 10 unit rental or something. Not sure what that number would be.
- Airbnb's only allowed if the owners live on property and one more spot. No corporations unless they become a hotel and follow those regulations.
I think personal ownership can go higher than just two properties without problems. The issue isn't everybody owning five properties, but a small handful owning thousands.
Following that, limiting corporations' ownership is definitely a top priority. Only owning housing with 30 units or more would probably help a lot. 10 units is just too little I think, as that's just a conjoined townhouse, which can easily be personally owned and operated. 30 is more like a really small low rise.
AirBnB is definitely an issue as well, and is probably the hardest to regulate. Though definitely not the hardest to pass (that's the corporations one). I'm not sure what can be done with it, as there's already laws in place regarding hotels. Maybe force the company to register all BnB locations to a government database in real time? Though with enough housing, I think this will be an insignificant issue. Especially combined with the other changes. BnBing a spare room is quite a different thing compared to an entire unit/house on a permanent basis.
I like the idea of progressively higher taxes. Second house might have a modestly higher tax, but the third will be a steep increase and it only gets higher from there. Anyone who truly wants/needs multiple homes can have em, but they're gonna pay through the teeth for them (which we can invest into building more homes).
We have such a shortage that IMO any extra home ownership is a problem. But it's the kind of problem that I don't think is a concern if they pay sufficient taxes on it. It's the kind of problem that we can largely throw money at to fix.
Personally, I have no issues with things like summer homes, or having a second property you rent out for some money on the side.
The first is typically somewhere that having property is purely a luxury rather than a neccessity, so as long as it's not being done in another large city or something, it's not that much of a big deal. Especially so if the government isn't on the hook for utilities.
For the latter, as long as the number of properties being rent out, and that the renting is done properly, it's not a big deal either. The government already has regulations on rentals anyways, though I do wonder how well they're enforced. Either way, while I do agree that excesses here is an issue, one or two properties utilized like this isn't a problem, even if thousands of people do it in a single city.
I think you're probably right about the numbers, that's definitely a discussion to be had. I originally said 30 on the units but there are units that I walk past a lot and they have about 10. I couldn't see a small business owner owning that, but I guess they could.
Living in Seattle and watching it be demolished was hard to watch, I've accepted it now. We're still fast becoming San Francisco where you have the rich and then no one to work there, it's not a good situation. Regulating the corporations is the only way to begin truly fixing it, imo. All of the best cities in the world are becoming disneyland and nothing behind the curtain.
Those sound like better ideas to prioritize to me. Besides political machinations, what reasons are there not to implement those types of policies?
Everyone who is making money by not implementing these policies is peeling off some of it to keep the policies that make them the money in place.
Corporations have lots of money and so a lot of people are told that it's the "nimby's" who aren't letting things get built and that "Trickle Down Housing works!". There is a slight chance Trickle Down Housing would work in 30 to 40 years, but regulating real estate is the fastest, easiest and best for the people who live there. So basically, the people who want more and more money.
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Canada wants to eat it's cake while also having it. Something like 60% of Canadians own their home or live in a home their parents own. 40% of a country is more than sufficient to tear the country apart if they lose faith in the society they live in. Allowing housing to become investments has been a mistake that needs to be corrected for the long term stability of the nation.
If government had the power to just snap their fingers and halve the price of all real estate, regular home owners should not be negatively affected.
It's mostly only the people who own multiple homes as investments, developers, and people who rent out their properties.
If you own a home that you live in, yes it will suck that prices dropped after you signed your mortgage, but you already agreed to pay that before so you should be able to afford those payments wether your house is $1M or $500K.
If you need to move, the house that you need to move to will now be half price so you didn't lose anything with your own house going half price. If anything you win by not having to pay as much taxes.
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They want the existing houses to remain expensive while the new houses somehow are cheap? Sounds like they're wishing for a magic trick, or are trying to put lipstick on their business-as-usual pig.
House: 1 million $.
Job: 22k$/years.
So, how can this work? Magic 🪄✨
Just tax homes past a primary residence like Singapore. We know it works and at least it'll be real obvious those against are the immoral asses we thought they were
This is the simplest solution. But the annual property tax on 2+ properties has to bite otherwise corporations hoarding housing stock would just see that as cost of doing business.
The best approach would be progressively higher (like, exponentially) property taxes according to the number of properties held
This.
Every property owned above primary should double in tax.
At this point it's the only way to stop the hoarding immediately. Canada is rolling into what may be a viciously cold winter soon, and if we don't do something RIGHT NOW, people will not survive.
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And I want a unicorn!! 🦄
Call me a radical, but this is a speculation issue. Stop allowing homes to be the object of speculation by limiting the amount of properties people can buy/have.
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Yeah that won't happen. Houses just get bought up by those who can afford so they a) can rent them out and b) use it as a safe investment. House prices need to come back down to fix this anytime soon so they can't be seen as an investment.
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"I want to stop being an alcoholic but I'd like to drink occasionally"
You say that in jest but I know far more previous functional alcoholics who drink occasionally vs went teetotaler.
I'm guessing he has a few investment properties already.
And even if he doesn't, a large percentage of MPs do, either because they needed that passive income to actually be able to afford to run for parliament (campaigning is a full time, temporary job, and it's difficult to go a month without an income), or because an MP's salary and position makes it so much easier to afford the rental properties after they've won the election.
And if you can find yourself in the position to set yourself up for life with a passive income, most people are going to take that opportunity. Especially the neo-liberals that dominate all of the viable parties who don't even have a theoretical problem with the idea .
Selfishly want Canada to road test some ridiculous tax for residential properties that you own but don’t personally reside in. 50% progressive increase in property taxes for every residential property beyond the one you live in or something.
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Possibly making a statement before election. Doubt government has any intention make housing affordable.
Maybe we need to be more vocal? 🤔
Contact the Prime Minister https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/connect/contact
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Housing as an investment is the problem. They dont want to stop that so fuck the poors i guess :/
Can't have the common folk building any sort of equity, gotta keep them renting from us forever
Equity was a fun choice of word here, since both its definitions apply to the conversation.
If housing wasn't an investment, a purchased home wouldn't build any equity in the financial sense, but people who need a home would have more equity in the social sense.
It's almost like finance is at odds with social justice.
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~~Canada~~ International Billionaires want to make ~~homes~~ places where poor people live ~~affordable~~ profitable without crushing prices
*fixed your headline
I wish they would raise the HBP limit for RRSP that can be used towards a downpayment. It's not like I'm going to be able to retire with that if I can't build equity beforehand.
From the CRA "Currently, the HBP withdrawal limit is $35,000. This applies to withdrawals made after March 19, 2019."
From the article "Recent surges — prices have risen 36 per cent in three years"
So it should be closer to $50,000. Maybe $60, 000 would be better to account for prices continuing to rise while we wait for something to be done to improve the situation.
"I want you to buy a home at this price."
I can't afford that.
"But what if you paid anyway..."
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