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[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Western governments: We need to take climate change seriously and transition to renewables and EVs.

Also western governments: It’s bad that China has ramped up production on renewable energy sources and EVs, hit them with tariffs to protect our insufficient domestic production.

[–] dotslashme 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, tariffs might have a positive effect short term, but it can also lead to a trade war, but regardless, we make earth a harder place to live, and it also make EVs more expensive.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The argument isn't about that EVs are bad. The argument is that the Chinese government subsides the manufacture of them, so they can outperform western car companies, in order to capture the market.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Western governments need to step up their subsidies for green tech then to compete, I guess. Not start banning the people who are providing the solution.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

I do agree with you, unfortunately the climate is always trumped by the business climate.

On the other hand let's not hail the Chinese government as being climate minded. Their industry is cheap partly due to climate and worker safety not being regulated as much.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yes, those subsidies are much more important that climate change and there's no way that we subsidize and bail out our own auto industries and definitely not multiple times with zero strings attached.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hey I'm not defending the decision, I'm just clarifying the reason they were put in place.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they're not reasons; they're excuses and parroting them only serves to legitimize those excuses to those who don't bother to pay attention.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago

Now you're being obtuse

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why, then, are Chinese EVs in China sold at a 30%+ discount relative to Chinese EVs in Europe?

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago

That's not really the point. The important metric is the price of Chinese EVs in Europe compared to EVs from European car makers. That's why the tarrifs are instated.