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repost: https://hexbear.net/post/2052540
People that work nonstandard hours have to deal with this stuff every time they try to sleep.
The real solution would be to have high quality insulation that prevented neighbors from bothering one another when they do normal things like watch a movie or have a party. And to minimize nonstandard hours jobs. But that would inconvenience the land leeches so instead we get to fight with each other.
I agree it's not black and white. Consideration is a two-way street. All of this was discussed in the previous thread and I think there's some good discussion there.
The good post there applies here, we live in a society that causes us to inevitably step on each other and somebody will always end up annoyed. One most common factor being that people are cramped into tiny, poorly separated spaces with no communal areas, where they can hear each other's every sound, because money.
The best we can do to get on in these shitty situations is compromise and recognise it's a dumb arrangement that shouldn't exist to start with.
we live in a society
Hello NKVD? I'd like to report a counter-revolutionary. That's right, my wife complains when I stay up till 4am playing video games because it keeps her up. Yes, the gulag is fine too. Thank you.
If you wake your neighbors up you’re too loud. Be better
This is common sense and while I agree, in principle, I feel like 90% of noise complaints that get escalated have to do with two groups that don't follow common sense on the issue: power-hungry assholes who just want to control people and start shit, and genuinely disabled people whose noise tolerance is completely different than most people (hypersensitivity to sound, auditory hallucinations etc.).
My sister got harassed out of an apartment by an elderly lady downstairs (not sure which category she fit into) who would complain about literally any sound they made upstairs. Normal conversation, in the early evening, would prompt angry letters in their mailbox. She would write meticulous logs of all their "transgressions" (like, "1 AM, chair moved across floor") and threaten to send them to the police, talk shit to other neighbors trying to spark drama etc. I don't feel like there was really any way my sister could have fixed that situation by being "better", because she didn't do anything wrong. Life makes sounds sometimes, maybe even at inconvenient hours. Sometimes you gotta move a chair real quick at 1 AM. It is what it is. All she could have done was accept that her downstairs neighbor has extreme needs, and then work to live a completely silent life. She didn't, she moved out instead. Like most people would probably do.
I guess my point is that having simple "common sense" rules about this doesn't really work in a system where vulnerable/sensitive people live next door to neurotypical/non-sensitive people whose ordinary lives makes a baseline of noise. People like my sister's upstairs neighbor would probably need detached housing or a heavily insulated apartment, which I imagine a better society could probably provide to those who need it.
old people typically have poor hearing. Are you sure you aren’t simply being a good sibling and taking your sisters side?
On the other hand old people have nothing but time on their hands and they love to complain. See: German meme about oma being a garbage snitch/calling the cops on you after 10pm.
My story is implausible because elderly people can't hear? That's certainly a take, given how the "angry old lady downstairs knocking on the roof with a broom" is a super common trope. This woman was in her 60s, they can generally hear just fine lol. If you literally believe people would never complain unless there was genuinely something to complain about, then you have been extremely privileged in your selection of neighbors. There are tons of unreasonable and shitty people out there. There are also people who have aforementioned hypersensitivity or other mental issues. These things cause people to disagree on what characterizes a normal level of noise. Negotiating this shit is part of what it means to live in close proximity to each other, and it's way harder in an atomized society where most people in the city don't know their neighbors.
I saw the letters she would dump in their mailbox, and they didn't look like the work of a healthy individual. I also happen to know that my sister and her husband was (and still are) very chill people who don't party, listen to loud music or have screaming matches 
which also wasn't what she complained about - it was literally things like "talking loudly" and "moving furniture" (half the time the complaints and "logs" were dated to times when they were both in bed). They noped the fuck out of there because there was no reasoning with this person, and they wanted to start a family. I can only imagine what would have happened if there was an infant in the mix too. Which is, incidentally, another source of noise that you sometimes have to put up with when you live in an apartment (my own downstairs neighbor had a baby with colic. It sucked, but that's life).
Like, I get that nothing is ever true on the internet etc. but for real, what the hell is implausible about this story?
There's a thing in Islam called "حسن الجوار" it is about how to treat your neighbor, also you westerners need to get better sound isolation cardboard ahh houses
they clearly dont consider the needs of dog girls to bark really loud
In a communist society building quality would improve, as would insulation quality.
I've come to realize I don't live in the "best" hood.
Since moving into an apartment in a new-ish neighborhood, I've had to deal with noise, but not ordinary noise. Sometimes during the day, I'd get next door neighbors turning up their stereo, with bass at earth-shaking levels. At night, I've heard thumping and screaming, like DV was going on, from the apartments below AND above me (tri-level) and during the first month, there was DV going on, as on next door neighbor had gotten into a fight with his girlfriend, and she called the cops.
My struggle is, that I've called the managers to deal with it, but they say when they aren't there to call the cops. I don't want to do that (black man) but sometimes you really can't talk to some people as they might feel threatened and pull a gun, especially during a heated moment, so it may not be good to confront the neighbor yourself. Sometimes I don't know what to do, other than move out when my lease is up.
You should be allowed to have a party and play music and have people dance at your home.
But if you have a party and play music as loud as possible even though no one is dancing you should be send to the gulag no questions asked. Like some people do actually get off on being annoying pests
Also you should be allowed to blast music sometimes, because its nice and being considerate means also being considerate that sometimes people need to be noisy. The issue occurs when "sometimes" becomes "all of the time" and "my neighbour asked me to quiet down" becomes "my kkkracker kkkoloniSSer neighboourgeoise ordered the Gestapo on me for the crime of destressing (firing guns into the air like a looney toons cowboy) after a long work day. I am the revolution and the proletariat and everyone should accommodate all my needs and I should not because we live in a big city so get used to it liberal"
Courtesy to your neighbors is a barometer for all pro-social behaviors, including how useful you'd be in an insurgency.
Oh boy this struggle session again!
In the revolutionary society we will simply designate city areas for day and night shift workers so no one ever clashes with their schedules.
you'd have places to go when you wanted to do something loud, this whole argument is so silly
It's wild to me that a common room isn't a normal thing in american urban planning. It's pretty normal for a housing unit to have a dedicated room for big parties and that sort of stuff.
Yeah I mean ultimately the argument comes down to alienation in the here and now, which there is no one size fits all answer for how to deal with.
People usually complain about upstairs neighbors, but my downstairs neighbors can be ridiculous. I swear they do everything short of banging a broom on their ceiling. And they just got a beagle.
Yeah I'm salty about it sometimes, but people who call the cops about something like that are trash.
Something tells me this Maliki fellow doesn't actually live in close quarters. There's definitely a balance to be struck. For example, I'm not going to play my fucking banjo without a mute at 2 in the morning.
Depends on the neighbor.
I used to live next a mostly abandoned public university building. The building changed hands to some private association which would rent the building out for private events on weekends. So this meant on Friday and Saturday nights, people would rent out this big space and put a DJ blasting deep bass all night, usually through 4am. There's a quiet law in the city after 10pm!
It was literally driving me insane, the bass wasn't audible outside but shook the foundation of the building and piped directly into my fucking room. Impossible to sleep when a 90 BPM beat is playing for hours, your heart just doesn't relax. I emailed the association every time it happened saying it's affecting my sleep. They answered once or twice saying they "asked the guests to turn it down next time" but nothing changed. Shame on them, making money from leasing a space not designed with sound isolation in mind in the middle of several apartment blocks. I eventually moved out because of it but goddamn, so enraging