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[โ€“] ProgAimerGirl@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

liberals seething and malding that they will never come up with something as simple and fundamentally accurate as Ratchet Effect:

[โ€“] culpritus@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've tried everything (liberalism), and we're all out of ideas ... except fascism, that seems promising folks!

[โ€“] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

โ€œSure, fascism does everything I claim I hate about communism, but come on, think of the good vibes!โ€œ

[โ€“] Biggay@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Well, did it work for those people?

No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but ... But it might work for us.

[โ€“] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Stagnating living standards

Declining living standards

[โ€“] Egon@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well sweetie at least we don't live under an authoritarian regime.
Define authoritarianism? Well it's... Well you see the thing is any definition would also describe our country, so that's wrong... Really it's actually rude of you to ask me to define authoritarianism

[โ€“] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One poll I haven't seen is what proportion of Chinese people think they're living in a democracy vs. what proportion of USians. That would be interesting.

[โ€“] RedDawn@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Im not sure if Iโ€™ve seen that as one poll done by the same group across both countries, but Iโ€™ve definitely seen those numbers and it was like 70%+ of Chinese and much lower for the U.S.

Edit: hereโ€™s one, itโ€™s higher than I remembered for China, 83% of respondents to a poll in 2022 said the PRC is a democracy with 91% saying that democracy is important to them.

[โ€“] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Chinese people both feel that their country is more democratic and that democracy is more important than USians do

[โ€“] Deinonychus@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

The asterisk next to China is hilarious, liberals just can't accept that China actually cares about it's people

[โ€“] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

holy shit lmao btfo

[โ€“] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

is-this the wheel of neoliberal boofery?

[โ€“] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

โ€œOne more far-right government broโ€ needs to be the new โ€œone more lane broโ€.

[โ€“] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

le_nazi_wheel_spinning.gif

[โ€“] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's almost like the ultra wealthy controls politics or something and they prefer fascism over any sort of even mild socialism...

[โ€“] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only phase I'd take out or rephrase is the "far right drives economy off a cliff", like, I'm pretty sure you can't say meloni is any more of a neoliberal than draghi before her, and she's just continuing to carry out his and the EU's economic plan anyways, and regarding Poland from what I understand the period where PiS was in power was noticeably better economically than the centrist liberals before them just because they weren't as committed to neoliberalism, to the point that a lot of poles reluctance to vote the liberals back despite PiS's rollback of LGBT rights and, in EU-speak, "democratic backsliding" was that the liberals would take away a subsidy system that PiS implemented that helped a lot of people.

[โ€“] plinky@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah pis and orban kinda don't fit, maybe cause they have their own currency to do some light protectionism (agro business and pensioners respectively). usa also lives by its own rules, like economy under trump didn't shit the bed, aside from covid (it did under bush though) shrug-outta-hecks

uk does though, and they have currency control as well.

[โ€“] plinky@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

also seems hungary has been stuck on the right circle thingy for long ass time. And argentine progressed much further.