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And I'd save scum in real life too, if I could!

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[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is why xcom games have iron man mode. Save scumming is so much a known part of the game that it’s considered an extra challenge to play in a mode where you can’t save scum. I love xcom but I’ve never done iron man mode because there are some moments occasionally that are just serious bullshit and I don’t have the tolerance for it.

Play the way thats fun to you. That’s the point of games.

Save Scums Ironman Mode 😎

(Actually a thing btw)

[–] GCanuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to take from your point (which I fully agree with)…. But doesn’t XCom do an anti scum method of feeding the RNG seed in a way that prevents save scumming?

I know I’ve tried to scum some hacks in that game that always returned the same value.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sort of. It depends where your save point is. If you’re on the world screen and save before selecting a mission your mission can generate differently when it loads. If you save in mission making the same moves will always give the same results, but changing your moves slightly will cause some different background math and change the chances on a shot hitting, etc. All the enemy groups are generated already if you save in level, so if you get ambushed in some horrific way you can avoid them on reload. I would typically save just before selecting a mission, another at mission start once I’m deployed, and then once more on mission completion. I would rarely use it and eat most of my mistakes, but on a few occasions I would have one of my units get totally fucked by a group somehow hidden one space away around a corner or something like that and then the scum power comes out to save my ass.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah XCom is ridiculously bullshit with how RNG can completely screw up a mission. Ok if you miss a 90% shot, sure there's a 10% chance you miss so that can happen. Missing multiple 90% shots in a row and getting completely slaughtered because of it? Complete bullshit.

It should add some compensation for this, like if you miss a 90% shot you get some extra points added to the next roll. There's nothing realistic about rolling an RNG number to check if something happens or not so it's being too strict on that just to make the game needlessly frustrating. Like if I'm doing perfect tactics and lose because of a string of unlucky rolls, it's just the game randomly telling that I lose. Not much fun.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I remember one in particular where point blank shotguns with 2 soldiers and then my sniper all missed hitting the same damn enemy, all with 90% chance to hit. Resulted in my team getting absolutely steamrolled the next round. This may be the incident that caused me to figure out how to properly save scrub, haha, I was fucking pissed!

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The RNG will return the same sequence of random numbers, but doing things in a different order will have those numbers used for different purposes. So saving and trying the exact same shot again will give the same result. If you rolled a 23 and you needed >25 to hit, it will always miss no matter how many times you reload it because 23 will always be the first number in the sequence. But if you do some other action, that 23 gets used for that, and if 56 is the next number in the sequence then that shot will hit when you do it on the next action.

[–] lisquid420@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

games are supposed to be fun! let people have that fun however they want to! :)

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Woooooah, slow down there Satan....

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 year ago

I save scum sometimes. I did a lot in bg3 because the skill checks have such a big random factor.

I don't save scum in my favorite rogue like (Crawl: stone soup). Most of the time losing feels like my fault, and not just random.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I did it in BG3 after telling myself I wouldn't.

But annoyingly, I'd walk into a room of enemies that I didn't know were there and just get absolutely shredded, where the whole party would die.

Or I'd fail a check 4 times and feel like an entire quest line got closed off or that I couldn't finish a quest because the fight was too difficult. Kind of annoying.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play games with cheats so that I don't have to struggle getting materials, or other annoying things that games do to pad out time. I play games within a small time frame, therefore, I do not want to spend the little bit of time I do have doing mind-numbingly boring shit, and get back to having actual fun. :)

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuckin right.

I think they're called trainers now though! WeMod is a good source

[–] LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

YES! I was going to say WeMod, but chose cheats instead, because some games I play require Cheat Engine since WeMod doesn't have the cheats I'm looking for. Sometimes, Cheat Engine also has more options, and can always be used to make your own.

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks! Will look up Cheat Engine

Those of us who grew up on Atari and Commodore games don't see it as cheats, just a little help with our slightly slower reactions 😂

[–] corvett@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Stardew Valley on paper oughta be easy to save scum, but in practice you do so much in a day, it'd be tedious to.

I definitely would save before risky moves in Morrowind, and would reload when it went poorly.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I recently played System Shock 2 for the first time and after some digging, realized the hacking puzzles were pure RNG. Fuck that.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

INB4 someone mentions the bit from Rick and Morty.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Additional off my chest:

I've never intentionally watched an episode of Rick & Morty, and I never will.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So, I know the fans can be obnoxious, I get that, but just hear me out.

Like you, I wasn't interested in watching it, then somebody posted this clip on Reddit. I watched it and thought, damn, I gotta check this out.

Im like 4 seasons behind, and I'm in no rush to get caught up, but maybe someday if I'm bored. If you have some personal vendetta or point to prove, then nevermind my comments, but if the popularity just turned you off, it's not all bad.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I appreciate your assessment and it seems fair. However, there's something about the writing and characters that I really don't like and can't get into.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I watched for a while, but dropped it as I liked everything about the show except Rick and Morty. The way those to talk is just annoying between the burps and the whining.

So yeah, I can relate to not getting into it.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I can totally see that. Everybody's a real piece of shit on that show. I just put it in the genre of Seinfeld or It's always Sunny, a bunch of assholes being assholes so we can laugh at them.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

The burps and whining mere diminished once Justin Roiland got kicked from the team for calling underaged girls in Morty's voice.

It is a lot more tolerable in the last season.

[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the best parts of that episode is Mr. Poopy butthole is in every scene of the intro sequence

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

...And hasn't been in any episodes prior. He's obviously the original prime parasite, right?

Right?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Okay, cool?

[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Cheats are enabled on my personal Minecraft server because it’s Minecraft and the only one being cheated on is the player’s feeling of accomplishment

I have definitely cheated into spectator when I fell in a 1 block wide hole with 5 villagers I wanted alive.

My siblings hates tedium and cheats a lot of it away.

Ain’t no competition.

[–] eyeon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

it depends on the game imo. in the end so what it takes to enjoy it it's your free time. but it's also easy to remove the enjoyment entirely, and at some point you are better off just modding what you want in.

Nethacks a good example of that. permadeath is pretty key to the way the game was designed. restoring a backup save file does help when youre starting out but then why not just enable explorer mode and keep going?

Or if you're reloading saves in bg3 every time the dice rolls are bad.. why not just get a mod to do infinite rerolls or always roll perfectly?