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Ran across this video, I initially thought it was a quote from Mao or one of the Kim’s, but when she said that the opposite of capitalism wasn’t socialism or communism, that’s when the alarm bells started going off. Are bourgeois feminists STILL pushing the whole “socialism is for old white men” thing?

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Socialism is just old white men"

rosa-shining sankara-shining fidel-wut xi-shining lumumba-point

Liberal read a book written for an adult challenge: impossible

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

was having a conversation about worker struggles, specifically the difficulty in organization of certain professionals and somebody i didn't expect to brought up "post-marxism" as an alternative to worker organization. and i said, earnestly, "i don't really understand what that refers to in this context." and they said that marxism was "just for white guys" so it was not relevant. and all i could think was, "noted white guy, Mao Zedong. noted white guy, Thomas Sankara. noted white guy, Ho Chi Minh. noted white guy, Kim Il Sung." but like a coward, i just kinda accepted that as a critique and moved on. because i am a noted white guy. it should also be noted that, like the tiktok, this was an class 4 [high level] white woman.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

like the tiktok, this was an class 4 [high level] white woman.

michael-laugh

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

I'm not going to eat vegetables because an old white man (my doctor) told me that I had to (appeal to authority) or I would die (verbal threat)

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hate this liberal idpol sophism. The point of Marxism (etc.) is to be a science. We can and should complain about Darwin being a white chauvinist, but that doesn't mean we throw out evolution or his contributions to it, because the truth of them exist independently of his having said so, as is the point of science! It would be just as absurd to reject using your phone because it is "tainted" by having a touch screen and other parts that were originally invented by white men!

What we should care about with these evaluations is how conducive theories are to the destruction of, for example, white supremacy, by means of practical action aimed at definite ends. I'll be waiting for an approach that is better in this regard than Marxism. Let me tell you, an "ethos" of "service" is not going to cut it when the CIA sends a rightwing death squad to gut you like a fish.

Watch this fucker then rush to embrace white neoliberals who happen to be women

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

did you take it more seriously when you thought an old white man said it

No, because it's nonsense either way. Also it's laughable that this person thinks communists are reluctant to argue with dead white men and call them mean names. That's like half of what we do.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea it's not like communists are infamous for infighting.

Pick literally any of those old white men. 49.9% of communists will have criticisms of them of varying degrees of credibility.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heard it here first. The majority of communists support old white men!!!

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

But those white men are revisionists...

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Glad i'm an old white man, i really like this socialism stuff

Shame the current system is so hostile towards us

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Its my quote I said it.

Lmao ironically a good bit idea. Yeah she has red scare brainworms and hates China most likely.

When libs try to dunk on socialism and become senator armstrong's left nut in the process.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Imagine my surprise when I opened the video and it was the whitest women I've seen in months.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is just la croix anarchism

Hey what did La Croix do 🥺

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Old white men racking up another W.

But all actually existing socialist states are nonwhite?

Bizarre chauvinism in a take like that.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a fellow lazy thinker I'd probably accept an idpol argument against socialism, the only problem is I don't have enough money.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

This canard is a huge telling-on-oneself deal.

You think we should focus more on BIPOC people and gender diversity? Me too.

You think that socialism is all a bunch of old white men though? It's almost as if you are preferencing white men over the socialists who are BIPOC and of diverse genders. That would mean that you're guilty of the problems you have convinced yourself that you are diagnosing in socialism.

Go read Luxemburg or Krupskaya or Kollontai or Ho Chi Minh or Leslie Feinberg or Mao or Huey P Newton or George Jackson or, of course, Fanon.

[–] whodoctor11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Instead of a old white man, that time was a middle-age white woman. Instead of quote from a book, that have serious science research behind, that time was just words in the wind.

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