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[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we put the meat on the pole

Gross

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, it has an awful "animals are not products, but our dancers are" feel to it

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Someone should tell them that's worse. They know that's worse, right?

can-excuse-1 : I can excuse human sexual exploitation, but I draw the line at the exploitation and killing of animals.

can-excuse-2: You can excuse human sexual exploitation?

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, what's worse? For who? I'm not totally sure what you're saying here but as someone who has survived by doing sex work, who has been repeatedly sexually exploited*, and who has also been more than what I think most would just call exploited, I would not say that any of that was worse for me than being murdered on a factory farm. Can we just agree that exploitation and the objectification or commodification of sentient life is very bad and needs to be abolished?

*(Side note to make clear that sex work is not inherently exploitational either but that's a different ball of wax.)

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I think he's saying harming a human being is morally worse than harming an animal, all else being equal. I was confused as well but I think it's just the Community meme wording. Had to reread it and look up the actual line from the show.

The line is "I can excuse racism but I draw the line at animal cruelty". I'd forgot the extra layer of irony, that it's a white woman implying cruelty to animals is worse than cruelty to black/brown people.

This fucking site strains my reading comprehension sometimes.

being murdered on a factory farm

I think a factory farm slaughtering people is considered outside the realm of possibility. I assume the vast majority of people would consider that morally worse.

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Precisely what I was trying to get at, thank you for putting it into clearer words.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder that humans are animals too. Unnecessary exploitation of people is not vegan

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A misogynist looks at a woman like she's a piece of meat. But what does a vegan misogynist look at her like? Hunk of tofu? Bean burrito?

Bad answers only.

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

well the one on the sign is seitan obviously vegan-seitan

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

A large bag of rice

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Fantastic. This thread isn’t going to inevitably make me super uncomfortable at all.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

All moral considerations aside, am I the only one who thinks it is weird to go to a strip club to eat?

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's y'all's cognitive dissonance for not viewing the sex trade as inherently exploitative? What did Lenin, Castro, and Sankara have to say about it?

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's part of the western left cognitive dissonance. They reject the policies of every AES (actually existing socialist) state, refuse to understand or engage with them, and think that they know better. Pretty much every AES state has placed legal limits on sex work/prostitution and drugs, as well as other excesses and hedonistic behaviour. This was not done because of "authoritarianism", but because of the material conditions that occur during the long walk from capitalism to socialism,

For example, prostitution, pornography, and almost all recreational drugs are currently illegal in China today. Same with Vietnam. Same with Cuba. Same with Laos. Same with the DPRK. Literally every actually existing socialist state has policies restricting these activities, even those with socially progressive policies like Cuba.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah I was 99.99999999999999999% sure this would be Portland https://casadiablo.com/

I wonder what it’s like there now, 15 years later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4hShMEk1Ew

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

This city has way too many strip clubs and idk why. Is it a cultural thing, or does the city make it particularly easy to open one?

Pretty gross.

[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago
[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago
[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

a lot of critics in the comments but this COULD be a sex worker owned co-op, just sayin', not necessarily a den of exploitation

i want to believe

[–] HexBroke@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In 2015, Lee and business partner Johnny “Diablo” Zukle were named in a lawsuit by dancers Matilda Bickers and Amy Pitts, claiming they were not receiving minimum wage and were subjected to touching by customers and bouncers.

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

i said I wanted to believe god damn you

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's owned by the workers, but it does seem like they set their own schedules (the dancers at least). Most only go on a few days a month.

Honestly it's not any worse than OnlyFans and it seems like a lot of them have those too.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The gig economy is not something to aspire to.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is sex workers setting their own hours gig economy? The alternative is sex workers punching in for a 9-5 and being forced to sell themselves in one of the more difficult lines of work without the option to leave.

Not really a fan of sex worker factory hours given that a structure like that implicitly removes the worker's ability to consent.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Juggling schedules at 5 different clubs to get enough hours to get enough money to keep a roof over your head is precarity, not freedom. Most dancers aren't just dancing at one club "a few days a month", they're doing the equivalent of working Uber, Lyft, and Doordash all at the same time.

You're right, didn't think about them moving around between clubs. Gig work is evil

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

As a vegan, I'm so not into this

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

awooga I may be an Angel, but if opposites attract, I should have no problems with the demons

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

I'm so proud of half of y'all

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago
[–] VHS@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Didn't have to specify Portland